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[mechelec]

Twxt. I'm assuming you are not self employed and not reliant on work to feed your family.

You are right, I'm not but I am and have been in the electrical industry as an electrician and later in electrical design/project management etc for many years. If you think I would notify and pay to let someone else inspect my work in my own home you dead wrong. I am qualified and competent to carry out my own work and issue the relevant certificates as required. Part P is a scam. Even the government have watered it down now because it does not work. All it has done is create hundreds of Electrical Trainee cowboy wanabees who have been on a short course because it has been sold to them as an easy industry to make money in. I have had them on my sites and also had to throw a couple off as their work was dangerous. Most have no previous experiance and come on here for advice to change sockets (but they can self certify). They are seen as legitimate because they are a member of a scheme. Part p has destroyed the electrian trade. I think that says it all.

 

[MDJ]

You are right, I'm not but I am and have been in the electrical industry as an electrician and later in electrical design/project management etc for many years. If you think I would notify and pay to let someone else inspect my work in my own home you dead wrong. I am qualified and competent to carry out my own work and issue the relevant certificates as required. Part P is a scam. Even the government have watered it down now because it does not work. All it has done is create hundreds of Electrical Trainee cowboy wanabees who have been on a short course because it has been sold to them as an easy industry to make money in. I have had them on my sites and also had to throw a couple off as their work was dangerous. Most have no previous experiance and come on here for advice to change sockets (but they can self certify). They are seen as legitimate because they are a member of a scheme. Part p has destroyed the electrian trade. I think that says it all.

some of your post , not all but some has merit, I likey :icon14:, very enjoyable and your right regarding the Electrical Trainee, it is now 7 days by the way which is even more comical LOL

 

[Guest55]

this has always been a tough one to call and will never be resolved in any forum discussion because it polarizes the 2 camps of electricians , which are

1. those who have bought into the whole part p industry and defend it and adhere to its rules trying to do things properly like Murdoch , because thats where he gets his living from , fair enough

2. the other camp are those like me & mechelec who are fully qualified but dont work in the domestic sector , but when we need to do the odd house bashing job we hardly feel obliged to jump through all the daft part p hoops just to do something we've been competent to do for 20 years +.

so whos right ?
no-one , the system sucks no matter which side of the fence youre on.

ultimately , i will continue breaking the law doing jobs for friends & family without notifying until a viable alternative is created which doesnt involve me paying the local authority £300 in fees to swop over a CU when i'm almost certainly more experienced than anyone they send to check over my work.

its a crazy crazy world ;-)

 

[Amp David]

Its an even crazier forum

 

[jasoncan1970]

Yes I've got several years experience of house bashing as they call it on here ,so it's not exactly new to me,I just don't understand the legal stuff it seems everyone has a different view.ive got sparks who do the maintenance where i work and they got old qualifications I've never heard of.i spoke to one of them and he has tried the 2391 five times and he still can't pass it and yet he can do the job with his eyes shut

 

[Richard Burns]

I just don't understand the legal stuff it seems everyone has a different view.

Murdoch has the right answer

You only have 2 legal options open to you:

1. Join a scheme

2. Notify and pay LABC

or you can do it illegally, which is what you are wanting to do.
To get someone else to sign off your work is illegal, to start a rewire when not a scheme member without notifying building control is illegal.
However if you have in writing from Building Control a statement saying (as you say in your second post) that you are permitted to get a third party registered installer to sign off your work then that is legal justification for this course of action, however most registered sparks will not do this as it only encourages others like you to continue doing it.

 

[Guest55]

the fact that its the property owners responsibility to ensure notification rather than the electrician seems to have slipped everyones mind...........

 

[Octopus]

the fact that its the property owners responsibility to ensure notification rather than the electrician seems to have slipped everyones mind...........

But its the competent electricians obligation to inform the customer of this too. Ignorance is no defence.

 

[Richard Burns]

the fact that its the property owners responsibility to ensure notification rather than the electrician seems to have slipped everyones mind...........

Not totally relevant since it is the OPs house!

 

[Guest55]

very true.
but that obligation is moral , not legal , as the homeowner should still be expected to understand their responsibilites and keep themselves informed.

the important thing in my mind is that the choice is still there.

^^^in reply to Murdoch.

 

[Guest55]

Not totally relevant since it is the OPs house!

not how i read it
quote from 1st post " this is my first rewire of a small house..........."

didnt say it was his house , although my statement you quoted is still technically & legally correct

 

[Richard Burns]

i need to move back in.

not how i read it
quote " this is my first rewire of a small house..........."

didnt say it was his house , although my statement you quoted is still technically & legally correct

Yes it is technically and legally correct, but not relevant, though useful for the OP to know the technicalities.

 

[Knobhead]

And yet another wind up merchant gets you at each others throats.

Have fun kids.

 

[Richard Burns]

It is all just a bit of banter, you never know the OP may get better!

 

[jasoncan1970]

I wouldn't agree that it was illegal due to the fact I've got the necessary qualifications and judging what most people think about part p and the other schemes on here is it really worth joining one