Installing down lights .

[Paul001]

Im a first time poster so go easy . Ha Ha .

I'm currently pricing a job to add 4 fire rated downlights to a kitchen and was wondering if i need to price for an RCD to protect the current lighting circuit as its not got RCD protection at the moment .

Also will this be a minor works as its modifying an existing circuit or an addition on an electrical installation cert . If i get the job that is .

Cheers Paul .

 

[sg spark]

Re downlights

I would go with a minor works cert, and if cables are buried in walls to swithches i would also price for r.c.d to bring your alteration upto current regs !

 

[white armour]

Hi Paul, as above go for MWC as only adding to/altering existing circuit. You will also need RCD protection, personally I would go for a local RCD/FCU for kitchen lighting only.

Also remember job will need notifying to LABC.

Regards wa

 

[telectrix]

disagree with the notification bit. not a new circuit , and not a special location. sorry wa.

 

[Deleted member 19807]

"I'm currently pricing a job to add 4 fire rated downlights to a kitchen" last time i looked this would be notifiable

 

[telectrix]

only if it's a new circuit.

 

[ringer]

If you put in a RCD for the circuit, then you are changing the characteristics of the whole circuit. A full EIC is therefore required- and yes, it is notifiable. I thought any work in a kitchen is notifiable.

 

[Doomed]

http://www.electriciansforums.net/a...5-whats-notifiable-table-notifiable-work..pdf

Any kitchen work is notifiable.

 

[Deleted member 19807]

http://www.electriciansforums.net/attachments/electrical-wiring-theories-electrical-regulations/2585d1287919535-whats-notifiable-table-notifiable-work..pdf

Any kitchen work is notifiable.

unless its like for like replacement

 

[Deleted member 19807]

only if it's a new circuit.

a new circuit anywhere is notifiable, not just in special locations.

 

[Richard Burns]

Replacing enclosures, replacing a damaged cable like for like, replacing a cooker, as hifly says replacing accessories (so long as the protective measure is unchanged) and doing main bonding in a kitchen are all NON notifiable .
Extending a circuit (i.e. adding accessories) either light or power in a kitchen is notifiable.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Also, if there are no cables being installed in the walls, there is no requirement to provide RCD protection.

 

[Richard Burns]

Im a first time poster so go easy . Ha Ha .

I'm currently pricing a job to add 4 fire rated downlights to a kitchen and was wondering if i need to price for an RCD to protect the current lighting circuit as its not got RCD protection at the moment .

Also will this be a minor works as its modifying an existing circuit or an addition on an electrical installation cert . If i get the job that is .

Cheers Paul .

Realised I had not answered the OP!
Adding lights in a kitchen is Part P notifiable work, therefore you should have an installation certificate.
Because it is not a new circuit this can be a minor works electrical installation certificate.
If there is any wiring in the lighting circuit buried in walls <50mm deep (and that is not mechanically protected or with earthed metal covering) then RCD protection should be added to the circuit and it would be best to price for this and explain why.

 

[Sparkymark123]

Well if I was simply adding a few lights to an existing circuit I wouldn't be looking at an installing an RCBO as well. Unless you intending wiring down a stud wall/capping in plaster at a depth of less than 50mm etc??

 

[alarm man]

i take it people are arguing over fitting a spotlight in a ceiling..part p shove it.:shocked3: its a spot light for gods sake..