is it worth going part p

[Des 56]

I gave the post a like because I only ever went to work for money,not because of my liking for the subject of electrics
Other comments in the post don't sit that well with my opinions

Of course you are right in what you say martyc
No one in thier right mind would deliberately work for peanuts

Blaming single individuals or even the immigrants is losing the plot slightly
In a free market economy,the availability of labour is supply and demand
If the goods are flowing and the company need labour,the rates will reflect how much available labour there is around

Blame ?
Here are a few to head the list

Investment(or rather non investment these days) bankers
Politicians
Cheap imports being permitted where child and slave labour are used and our companies turn a blind eye
You,me and the whole of consumers for putting too much value on low price
You need money,you work for whats available,that deserves applause rather than criticism

 

[oldtimer]

I totally agree with Essex when serving my time one of my tradesmen said son do you know why the other trades hate us its because they are a bunch of greed barstewards who are selfish and all they care about is the bonus where we negotiated a good hourly rate travelling time and holiday pay pay plus we had to go to college and study for proper exams .

So what went wrong well the Schemes got involved with part P and domestics me I was time served industrial and commercial got my C&Gs served my 6 not 4 years to attain approved status or gold card and I aint going to apologise to anyone for working and studying hard to get it so going from I&C to domestic is what I call a scooosh but this is where it gets mad there are guys running around bagging qualifications doing domestics and say I am an electrician and its not fair that i cannot get my gold card yet domestics is about 10% of what an a I&C electrician needs to know . Yes we work in a free market so EEC imagrants have the right to enter this country so I aint blaming them but they are in my view contributing to this have pliers will travel mentality that has now saturated our trade to such a degree my heart sinks when I read I am a forklift driver and want to better myself stories how can i be an electrician in 5 weeks .

Now I have got nothing against that but we are opening the doors to anyone and thats the reason why I have had to temper my input to some post as I see as chancers in my view plus this forum is in a peverse way encouraging it No we need what we had years ago Darwins Law where the ones who wanted to suceed do and the wasters fall by the way side hard I know but we cannot keep going like this ie a fight to the bottom .

O and by the way would I do this job for minimum wage cos I love yea my arse I would no I would rather stack shelves for the same money a save myself all the stress

 

[Dcf]

I also remember the days of the sparks being top dog.a sad memory now alas.
its right on its arse when boys dream of making 10.00 an hour! Wtf!
its been covered in the Sma and deskilling of the industry thread but I reckon it's down to the training and the rise of the "specialist"
i served my time with a small contractor who would have a core of 10 sparks and 5 or 6 lads all old school men.they did everything fro domestic appliance repairs to large industrial stuff.there was no domestic / industrial spark. There was just a spark
the reason we used to be respected was the wide range of stuff you had to know
now we have boys doing domestic who can't bend a bit pipe or wire a basic motor circuit and industrial boys who can't wire a 2 way.the days of the all rounder in our and most other trades is really gone.this is one of the reasons that rates are on the slide.im off for a gin.

 

[robbalaar86]

Completely gone off the actual topic of the thread. I for one love the job and as an apprentice did domestic new builds and re-wires but I also spent months just bending pipe which I thought at the time jeez this is getting annoying but I am pretty damn good at it now. However my point was should I go for part p scheme and be a domestic electrician or should I go for the gold card. The world doesn't owe me a living and I slogged the apprenticeship route no 5 week quick fix for me. Although who is to say what route is correct? I'm certainly in no position to judge. I love my job and I won't apologise for that.

 

[Johnuk]

why do you need to go part p?, are you going to leave your company when you just get your gold card????? you don't need part p if the company has it all ready mate, when you get your gold card ask can u do more testing /????