Is Part 'P' enforceable?

[Dustydazzler]

Part Pee has now been around for what 15 years now ?
Has anyone ever been successfully fined for not notifying a notifiable job ?

 

[Rightpukkaspar]

I think all electrical work across, domestic, commercial & industrial, needs some checks & balances. There is a lot of poor workmanship being carried out, and not just in domestic works.

Every person who isn't an electrician speaks as if there are just two types of electricians, ones that are qualified and ones that are not. In reality there are many pathways, qualifications, specialities etc. and it is nothing like that clear cut.

Part P is unfair due to the yearly fee and the only thing that changes for a competent regs minded spark is one piece of paper that says "Complies with building regs." You are effectively paying the scheme providers an insurance premium. They'll back you up on every notifiable job you do it you pay them X number of pounds a year.

If someone just said that you need this particular qualification or you can't do this particular type of job I'd be willing to pay the one time course fees for the types of work I want to do, but a yearly fee is a bit of a gamble if you're not doing swathes of notifiable work already.

Hmm, reading it again, I may have misread the table of fees.
If work is done by a scam member then there are no BC fees to pay - it's done through the scam for a pittance. So perhaps it just means "total rewire £270, new circuit or CU replacement £180, additional socket or light* £120". That would make sense - scale of charges based on the amount of work being done.
*Not that many of tre will be notifiable.

My Local building authority wanted nearly twice that when I enquired!

 

[Dustydazzler]

Most BCs aren't interested in coming out to vet electrical work.
I am no longer a member of scam as I just can't justify the fee now.
I recently did a part re-wire of a small extension and the BC guy accepted a MW cert from me. Result

 

[Mike Johnson]

Did you use your old registration details to fill out the MW certificate?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Did you use your old registration details to fill out the MW certificate?

No

I just used my very old carbon leaf hand generic MW cert pad

It was only 1 new circuit for a smoke detector and some alterations to the existing power

 

[Des 56]

Des
Allthough in essance i agree with you that there are too many chancers and jokers out there that can and do carry out ---- work. there are also a lot of very good electricians that are not registered d
Oh the arguments i have have with thickos its all good fun especially when they try telling me that a 2 miniute Part P qualified numpty is going to have to inspect a 30 year qualified electrical engineer with test and inspection 16th, 17th & 18th edition SAP qualified and HND in electrical engineering's work. Me thinks not.

Andrew I completely agree,please read my post No 9 in this thread

 

[Mike Johnson]

Just for information In France the owner of a property for sale or to let has a legal obligation to supply a diagnostic check for various things in the property and this includes electrics, this is almost an equivalent to a periodic inspection, would be nice to have this introduced in the UK it would solve the lost certificate scenario.

 

[Simon47]

We (sort of) had that here for a short time. Remember Home Information Packs ?
However, anecdotally the electrical section of a home survey tends to have a get out clause of "it's recommended that the electrics are inspected by a qualified electrician".
Part of the problem is that a seller wants a "good report" for the lowest price they can get it for. So as a buyer you won't get an EICR from a good sparky paid to do it properly

 

[Mike Johnson]

Yes I do remember them, additionally the CDM Regulations which apply to domestic qualifying work under the latest revisions of the regs, have the legal requirement for a Health and Safety file to be compiled during the project and issued at the end, this should contain any certificates for the building, unfortunately the file would not be put together if a Health and Safety Co-ordinator was not appointed, or the project did not qualify.

 

[Midwest]

Yes I do remember them, additionally the CDM Regulations which apply to domestic qualifying work under the latest revisions of the regs, have the legal requirement for a Health and Safety file to be compiled during the project and issued at the end, this should contain any certificates for the building, unfortunately the file would not be put together if a Health and Safety Co-ordinator was not appointed, or the project did not qualify.

While since I did them, I have an app on my phone, but can’t recall where CDM didn’t apply for any contractor?

 

[Mike Johnson]

CDM did not apply to Domestic work when first introduced, unless that work was over 30 days.

 

[Midwest]

Did that not change in 2015, ‘under the latest revisions of the regs’?

 

[Mike Johnson]

Could have been 2015, but the latest revision is 2017 with various other changes.