Is Part Pee fit for purpose / who is policing this scam ???

[Dustydazzler]

So mini rant coming up ...

While I am sure the wider majority of sparks follow the rules and certificate and notify their relevant work BUT in recent months I have been to numerous jobs where the customer has had significant wiring additions like new circuits in bathrooms , kitchens rewired and complete board swaps yet none of these jobs have any paperwork and non of them notified

Which is rather frustrating when I pay out significant fees to keep legit

 

[snowhead]

The problem re notification is that Part P is a Building reg and the work covered is under the jurisdiction of the Local Authorities Builidng Control.
Unless they go door knocking and inspecting then there's no way of them finding unnotified work.

The same applies to all the other self cert Competent Person Schemes like Boilers, Windows, Cavity Insulation etc

 

[Dustydazzler]

So in effect you are relying 100% on the person carrying out the job to document the work and if they just don't bother then nobody really gives a rats

 

[snowhead]

Sounds about right.
But it's the customer / property owner who is responsible for ensuring the notification is done.

There's another thread today started by a customer about no notification, B.C are aware and have said get someone else to sign it off by EIC presumably.
B.C could prosecute the contractor as above it's the customers responsibility.
If the contractor isn't a Scheme member, no Scheme can prosecute the contractor.
Scheme membership isn't complusory.

As discussed many times in the past it's a bucket full of holes in a bucket with holes in it.

 

[7029 dave]

Its one big cash cow

 

[SparkySy]

Totaly one big cash cow, that us who do our best get penalised with anothe Barsteward tax in effect!
The worst of it is that it is down to the person ordering the work to make sure they use a part P registered electrician. But then no adverts or obvious literature to tell anyone that is the case.
So usually it's the home owner that will have the trouble not the unregistered electrician. An absolute mockery of a system!
It really really grinds my gears!!
Worse is if you come to a job that has been bodged by a unregistered or registered installer, no one has any interest in following it up or taking any action! The scams don't care the local authorities don't care and will just say get an EICR done!
No one seems to care! In fact why the fool do I jump through hoops all these years to be a approved installer?!

Rant over!
Sorry people!

 

[Dustydazzler]

I'm starting to feel as a vetted sparks that I am the mug and those under the radar are the real winners in this situation

 

[SparkySy]

They are @Dustydazzler less overheads as not cal cert or pay out to a scam for a start let alone all the other things they don't probably pay for!
We are the mugs but at least we can sleep sound knowing we have done what is required!

 

[7029 dave]

Yep its a complete balls up on the domestic sector, all about the money havening to give it all away to do a days work.

 

[ipf]

We've been saying all this carp for the best part of two decades.

In general, the customer/owner couldn't care a tinker's.....until it comes to selling their property or some other sort of pressure is exerted....and then come further problems with folk thinking they're getting fleeced by decent traders.
One big balls up.....right from the start.

 

[LukeD]

There are many guys running under the radar that make great money with no paperwork. Some great , some crap.

The system is a joke in this country . I dont blame many for doing it .

 

[MoserV8]

I'm starting to feel as a vetted sparks that I am the mug and those under the radar are the real winners in this situation

Your a Mug, Like me - The whole system top to bottom is a Joke including NICEIC etc Heres a recent one, Over the summer holidays a NICEIC Registered Company - was PAT testing a large school i do work at. The dudes doing it were just labelling it all up, the tester they had was some ancient inadequate thing. They missed 1/2 the items, and missed things that should have failed. Yet because the NICEIC deals with the Duty Holder at the office, any old Muppets can be sent to site with Incorrect Labels and inappropriate test gear. As an individual you are vetted and assessed - as a company you can get away with blue Murder! I worked for a NICEIC company years ago, 1/2 the sparks were not even qualified! It makes a mockery of our skills.

 

[LukeD]

Your a Mug, Like me - The whole system top to bottom is a Joke including NICEIC etc Heres a recent one, Over the summer holidays a NICEIC Registered Company - was PAT testing a large school i do work at. The dudes doing it were just labelling it all up, the tester they had was some ancient inadequate thing. They missed 1/2 the items, and missed things that should have failed. Yet because the NICEIC deals with the Duty Holder at the office, any old Muppets can be sent to site with Incorrect Labels and inappropriate test gear. As an individual you are vetted and assessed - as a company you can get away with blue Murder! I worked for a NICEIC company years ago, 1/2 the sparks were not even qualified! It makes a mockery of our skills.

Yep...And its time someone like the BBC did a major program about these schemes . "Gas safe" also !!

 

[Electrics]

We are the mugs but at least we can sleep sound knowing we have done what is required!

Personally being part of some scam that has no bearing on the quality of my work wouldn't make me sleep easier. It's an absolute farce that time served, qualified men have to pay to be able to say whether or not work is ok. It's only this country this applies in too, like the other guy said, the system here is an absolute joke.

No regulation, no oversight, stupid rules, unclear routes into the industry. It should be heavily regulated to drive out the chancers with a clear route towards verified qualification status, which itself should come with the power to sign off work without having to pay extra money every year to do so.

 

[7029 dave]

Personally being part of some scam that has no bearing on the quality of my work wouldn't make me sleep easier. It's an absolute farce that time served, qualified men have to pay to be able to say whether or not work is ok. It's only this country this applies in too, like the other guy said, the system here is an absolute joke.

No regulation, no oversight, stupid rules, unclear routes into the industry. It should be heavily regulated to drive out the chancers with a clear route towards verified qualification status, which itself should come with the power to sign off work without having to pay extra money every year to do so.

IMO part pee has made it a lot worse, its all over the place a right balls up.