Is the 2391 being phased out ??

[Sav]

Hi everyone,
Hope you all are enjoying your Sunday.

As the post reads, is the 2391 being phased out and being replaced with another course??
I was hoping to start the 2391 early next year (new years resolution etc ) !!

Have a great day and take care,
Sav

 

[Guest123]

The cost of the course is £785.

Bloody hell, the current 2391 coverig all aspects is only around £300!!!!

 

[alanl]

All depends where you take 2391. I paid £500, it was advertised as £550 + vat. Local College, over 10 weeks, wanted £395. Others have it advertised at over £700.

 

[ipf]

Bloody hell, the current 2391 coverig all aspects is only around £300!!!!

Without the 2394 ? or would that be included ?
Licence to print money ?

 

[Superspark23]

never seen the 2391 under £600 just looked at 2 different coleges ones £699 + VAT and another £590+ vat but for that price you get lunch.

 

[Guest123]

My two local technical colleges run it for around £280.

The 2391-20 is around the same mark too.

 

[Superspark23]

Why do these vary so much? and is there funding available for these courses.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Just do it at a local college over 10 weeks at night school, like it was meant to be when it was invented!

Wolverhampton City college charged me £260 all in, the £60 was for the two exams. Any more than that and ... you're being fleeced I'm afraid. Lunch or not. I wouldn't want lunch at a college anyway

p.s. that was last year not in 1972

 

[GLENNSPARK]

i cant see (other than cash of course) why this course (2391) needed changing.....its a benchmark for those wishing to progress within our industry and this just smacks of more cash for less cert....if folk havn`t passed then theres a reason for it.....more practical ins and test and more evenings in GN3 methinks.....but just to patronise folk by creating easy routes all the time....just to boost pass rates is regressive and failing the industry.........

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Everyone when I did it were on the tools, as sparkys, but some did not have a clue and will have failed catastrophically (big word, no beer yet). One bloke was marched out of practical. To be shot I think or at least hands cut off

 

[Welchyboy]

this all just does my head in!!, its the same what they done with A levels, they simplify them so much that in the end they mean nothing to any potential employer, when i took the 2391 in around 2004 only around 45% of our class passed it, one chap even screwed his paper up and walked out! (he was actually the bloke in the class who was giving it the big'un all throughout the day classes about how good he was and what big contracts he takes on! haha)
If its not broke why fix it?, i personally think it was the best course i ever done and so many things fell into place afterwards, i think it cost me around £600 back then and it has earned its money over and over again ever since!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

AGREE ^^^ About the best course ever done bit. Loved it.

 

[rapparee]

I'm doing the 2391-10 course between january and may and it will cost me £140, but that is in the north of ireland

 

[Sparky Ninja]

I take it, from what i've been reading here that this 2394 only covers ''Initial Testing'' so what the hell is initial testing about then, and why on earth would you, have a C&G cert for it??

If your going to have a separate C&G cert for testing, then it should cover the whole spectrum of testing. You presently have C&G 2391 that goes some way in covering the field of electrical testing. So why get would you dump it, in favour of what seems to me, a curriculum level lower than that of the present cert??

Silly question really isn't it, as the what used to be known as ''THE'' respected and acclaimed institute of education for tradesmen, is now just another body on the modern money making merry-go-round!!!

In fact, from what i can make of it, all this new C&G(s) is going to cover is PIRs and the like!!! Fine for Domestic and small commercial work, but it certainly comes no-where near the requirements for industrial and the larger commercial installations... That is the problem these days, all electrical training is being geared only towards the domestic sector, and not accross the board as it once was.

The 2394 is based on initial verification.. key area being "before it is put into service". Whilst the 2395 is covering the area of assessing "existing installations" where we have to assess change of use, demand and assess voltage drops blah blah blah.

These are the differences in a nutshell.

Both courses have the same multiple choice exam within them, so there's not a lot separating them.

 

[Superspark23]

so basicly theyre the same course but give you a different qualifycation relevant for the work you do? So if someone did only new installation theyd need the 2394.

and if some one did periodics they's need 2395.

and if the did both they would need both? is that right?