Is this a C2 or C3

[littlespark]

Isn’t basic insulation outside of the box a C2 , potentially dangerous as their is not mechanical protection on the single cables

Give me a break, have you seen the time?

yes.... it’s also a C2. Unwrap the tape and see how much basic insulation is showing.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Give me a break, have you seen the time?

yes.... it’s also a C2. Unwrap the tape and see how much basic insulation is showing.

I wouldn’t spend 2 mins trying to peel off the tape, just Cut off builders tape bodge job, reterminate both twin n earth into a choc box and take 6 inches of flex to light fitting and connect properly

(yes it’s early

 

[HappyHippyDad]

As westward asked, what do you think @pokrok ?

 

[Intoelectrics]

Looks like a bit of plaster has popped off, that once covered the screw head on the plasterboard above the doorway.

 

[pokrok]

The guy that did my EICR report said he was an EICR inspector who also trained other inspectors. He said he was going to class it as a C2 as the cables should have been enclosed in a coffin box, he never mentioned anything about the earthing

 

[Dustydazzler]

The guy that did my EICR report said he was an EICR inspector who also trained other inspectors. He said he was going to class it as a C2 as the cables should have been enclosed in a coffin box, he never mentioned anything about the earthing

The only person I know who uses this term is Delroy the Sparks

 

[brianmoooore]

Yes, the cables should be in the box, but the whole thing is in the ceiling void (assuming not a loft above), so there is no potential danger. Hence C3.
If the fitting needs an earth, and isn't, then it's C2, because there is potential danger from the exposed part of the fitting.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Imo bare insulation outside the junction box should always be a C2 regardless if it’s in a loft or void or whatever. It’s rough and shoddy builders wiring.

c3 (observation) should only be for things like missing sleeve off strappers , missing labels on consumer unit etc.

 

[westward10]

Regulations require suitable enclosures for terminations and does not differentiate between accessible and not readily accessible, this is not relevant. Enclosures also add some level of fire protection.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Not to mention, as a trade we should be raising the standard and not just simply except shoddy builders wiring as ‘standard practic’ these days

there must literally be millions of lights connected this way on brand new builds , shoddy tape and connector block joints all over the gaff. Rough as a badgers.
C2, rip them out and re’do them properly

 

[Intoelectrics]

Not to mention, as a trade we should be raising the standard and not just simply except shoddy builders wiring as ‘standard practic’ these days

there must literally be millions of lights connected this way on brand new builds , shoddy tape and connector block joints all over the gaff. Rough as a badgers.
C2, rip them out and re’do them properly

Dead right! It's been incorrectly terminated by not using a suitable enclosure.

 

[pokrok]

Not sure if it’s the same model of fitting, but the little black jointbox should be clipped to the metal plate sticking out to the left. This plate may also have a threaded hole that should take an earth terminal screw.

So by design, the fitting should have been earthed.... but isn’t. C2

Other fittings may be double insulated (look for a square within a square logo)
If so, then C3, basic insulation outside enclosure.

These light fittings do have a sticker on the side with a box within a box

 

[littlespark]

These light fittings do have a sticker on the side with a box within a box

Well that suggests the fitting doesn’t need an earth, but by the regs, the circuit needs a continual earth wire to the end in case someone changes a fitting at some point to one that needs it.

I think the only problem now is the basic insulation outside the enclosure.

That little joint box came with the fitting, and I would presume has enough space to terminate the cables properly, with the outer sheath clamped when the lid is closed. Too much faff for your average builder, but it should be possible.
Failing that, I like to give myself more space by either using a click flow plug and socket, or a WAGO box lite that gives enough space and throw away that little black box.