Isolator position for immersion heater?

[jstephens251]

Hi everyone,
just after some advice.
I've wired a new s plan system which has gone fine.
plumber has installed a pressurised tank in loft and I have wired the immersion to the customers off peak supply. The isolator for the immersion is in the Airing cupboard along with wiring centre and programmer.
They have had another electrician doing some work (I was working for plumber) and he has said I haven't followed regs regarding isolator for immersion? What's everyone's thoughts on this, I'm within 2M but it's in loft above, thought this would be easier for user to isolate.
many thanks
Jon

 

[davesparks]

i have Dave, Minor works issued.

Sparks is signing off the cct for immersion part of the db change.

So you've signed a certificate to say that your work is compliant with bs7671 when in actual fact it may not be?
I hope your insurance is good!

 

[Leesparkykent]

So you've signed a certificate to say that your work is compliant with bs7671 when in actual fact it may not be?
I hope your insurance is good!

Haha leave it out.

 

[jstephens251]

So you've signed a certificate to say that your work is compliant with bs7671 when in actual fact it may not be?
I hope your insurance is good!

ya need insurance? doesn't say that in the regs?


hehe. okay i take all the points on board thanks for help.


cheers

 

[davesparks]

ya need insurance? doesn't say that in the regs?


hehe. okay i take all the points on board thanks for help.


cheers

It says it in law though

 

[Dave OCD]

I think that other sparks sounds like a bit of a t###, surely this minor issue could have been resolved with less fuss ?
I assume you fitted a flex outlet plate near the cylinder in the loft jstephens 251 - or possibly H/R flex all the way from the DP switch in the airing cupboard ? Either way I think a simple label near the cylinder with isolator location etc would be fine IMO.

 

[davesparks]

I think that other sparks sounds like a bit of a t###, surely this minor issue could have been resolved with less fuss ?
I assume you fitted a flex outlet plate near the cylinder in the loft jstephens 251 - or possibly H/R flex all the way from the DP switch in the airing cupboard ? Either way I think a simple label near the cylinder with isolator location etc would be fine IMO.

If the OP's knowledge of the regulations was up to scratch then he could have put across a case whereby no change is necessary to his work. It's matter of knowing the regulations and how to use them

 

[Dave OCD]

Fair comment Dave but with so many opinions and differing interpretations of some regs I can understand doubt creeping in on occasions.

 

[HandySparks]

It says it in law though

Does it?

 

[davesparks]

Does it?

To the best of my knowledge it is in approved document P of all places, which applies in this case as it is domestic

As far as I know there is no requirement in law for PLI, but there is for other insurances

 

[jstephens251]

If the OP's knowledge of the regulations was up to scratch then he could have put across a case whereby no change is necessary to his work. It's matter of knowing the regulations and how to use them

but i've got Part P?!

Dave, in my opinion an isolator in the airing cupboard is acceptable and the customers were happy. If anyone needed to change this immersion they won't need a rocket scientist to find the isolator. It was labeled Immersion Isolator. I've came across some awful installs of s plans/y plans etc with wiring all over the place.

I'll pay more attention to the regs when I inspect the sparky's DB install when I return. :smug2:

 

[davesparks]

but i've got Part P?!

Dave, in my opinion an isolator in the airing cupboard is acceptable and the customers were happy. If anyone needed to change this immersion they won't need a rocket scientist to find the isolator. It was labeled Immersion Isolator. I've came across some awful installs of s plans/y plans etc with wiring all over the place.

I'll pay more attention to the regs when I inspect the sparky's DB install when I return. :smug2:

So what? Part P is a document freely available to download, anyone can possess a copy of part P. On fact you can posses everything from part A through to part O (I think) for free

Acceptable in your opinion is not the same as compliant with 7671. Does it meet the requirements for an isolator mounted remotely from the equipment it isolates?

 

[Taylortwocities]

but i've got Part P?!

What is this "Part P" that you have got? I've always wanted to know this. Is it some type of qualification?

I'm not being funny, just curious, as it is something that is mentioned a lot - and it doesn't make sense to this old wrinkly sparky.

 

[davesparks]

What is this "Part P" that you have got? I've always wanted to know this. Is it some type of qualification?

I'm not being funny, just curious, as it is something that is mentioned a lot - and it doesn't make sense to this old wrinkly sparky.

Part P is one of the documents which make up the building regulations, these parts start at part A and run throughout of the alphabet.
It is free to download from the planning portal website and sets out the requirements for domestic electrical installations.

 

[stevethesparks]

I do believe some of the training centers offer a part P course of which will no doubt come along with a certificate.

 

[Welchyboy1]

yeah totally agree with it next to elements on most set ups. As it was in the loft I thought it would be awkward for the user to have to go up there to switch off. But i'll hold my hands up I should of put 2 in to comply.
Anyone know the reg for this, trying to find it.

Thanks for all replies too

there are 3 big housing estates in my area and all have the immersion switch labelled in the kitchen with the immersion tank in the loft on a flex outlet, if you wanted to ensure isolation, surely you could isolate and lock off the mcb in this instance and it would suffice?

think the guys a bit of a plum for getting snotty with your install, i would have probably done the same thing as you, the customer is going to find it a real pain and possibly a health and safety issue(depending on their age and health) climbing up in the loft to turn the immersion on and off