It's getting worse

[Englishman]

For everyone saying that more people are killed by other means, and that terrorist incidents, thankfully, are rare. I agree.

The problem comes when madmen are randomly trying to murder people, and with all police armed, even with tasers, these incidents can be stopped a lot quicker.

But it's not gonna happen, and we must deal with these things now.

 

[sean_ork]

Ask yourself these questions ....

How many people will die this winter because they can't afford to eat properly or heat their homes ?

How many have died this year on the roads ?

How many will die due to a shortage of resource in the NHS.

How many will die this year due to the affects of self inflicted illness, through smoking and over eating.

How many will die due to the actions of a very few radicals.

When you've got the answers, when youve realized how many allready are dying in this Country through our inaction over things we really do have control over, then go figure out where our effects should be spent.

Obvioulsy the above only applies if you want to focus on maximizing the number of lives saved in this Country.

 

[Englishman]

I won't go through this properly, but are you really saying that we shouldn't care about stopping terrorists murdering innocent people because lots of other people die?

 

[sean_ork]

I won't go through this properly, but are you really saying that we shouldn't care about stopping terrorists murdering innocent people because lots of other people die?

No, just prioritize our concern and effort with due regard to the actual quantity of lives able to be saved.

It's a simple concept.

 

[Pete999]

Ask yourself these questions ....

How many people will die this winter because they can't afford to eat properly or heat their homes ?

How many have died this year on the roads ?

How many will die due to a shortage of resource in the NHS.

How many will die this year due to the affects of self inflicted illness, through smoking and over eating.

How many will die due to the actions of a very few radicals.

When you've got the answers, when youve realized how many allready are dying in this Country through our inaction over things we really do have control over, then go figure out where our effects should be spent.

Obvioulsy the above only applies if you want to focus on maximizing the number of lives saved in this Country.

Sean
Most of the issues you raised are correct, and there is action ongoing to try and prevent these things, granted not all are working all that well but government is trying (no I'm not a Tory before you ask) but what are we doing on the home front to counteract these evil acts as shown in the video at the start this thread? giving our copper Tasers that don't work, you don't have to shoot to kill every time, I'm sure there are firearm systems out there that can incapacitate the perp, shouting "Taser Taser Taser" at them is a joke, made even worse when it doesn't work. There was a Politician many years ago that predicted something like this would happen, unfortunately he was branded as a Racist, which I believe was untrue, the Government at the time choose to ignore him, sadly.

 

[sean_ork]

Threads like these are rather a sad reflection on our Nation ......

How come there's never such an upsurge of concern over the 1000s that are already dying ?

The scandal of Britain's fuel poverty deaths | The big energy debate | The Guardian

 

[Paul.M]

Ask yourself these questions ....

How many people will die this winter because they can't afford to eat properly or heat their homes ?

How many have died this year on the roads ?

How many will die due to a shortage of resource in the NHS.

How many will die this year due to the affects of self inflicted illness, through smoking and over eating.

How many will die due to the actions of a very few radicals.

When you've got the answers, when youve realized how many allready are dying in this Country through our inaction over things we really do have control over, then go figure out where our effects should be spent.

Obvioulsy the above only applies if you want to focus on maximizing the number of lives saved in this Country.

None of the above include a person or a group carrying out a premeditated attack on innocent members of the public in public places due to their misinterpretation of a religious book.

In these next few weeks I expect another attack or attacks on Christmas shopping centers. I'd like to see armed police walking the streets, if they are willing to murder any random person that is just in the wrong place at the wrong time, they deserve to be shot.

 

[sean_ork]

There's very little that can be done to prevent a nutter with a bread knife slashing in a public place, let's be honest and get real here.

Put the army on the streets if you think that would help - but let's not forget how 100000s are already dying in this Country.

We appear to have the money for bombs yet we cant afford to insulate old folks homes - that's more concern to me.

 

[GMES]

Sean this thread was started by myself because of a terrorist act that occured yesterday and in my opinion is just the beginning now I am slightly confused what your argument has got to do with it, yes the things on your list are true and very sad but nothing to do with isis which is what this thread is about, As already said are we just going to let them run around killing innocent people. Even if we could resolve everything on your list it would not stop a group of isis soldiers from beheading innocent people would it or am I wrong.

 

[GMES]

There's very little that can be done to prevent a nutter with a bread knife slashing in a public place, let's be honest and get real here.

Put the army on the streets if you think that would help - but let's not forget how 100000s are already dying in this Country.

We appear to have the money for bombs yet we cant afford to insulate old folks homes - that's more concern to me.

I think one of the problems with most people is they think it won't happen to them, what is to stop the terrorist choosing at random to attack your city/ town and suddenly you are slap bang in the middle of a fatal explosion or worse your loved ones suffer the same tragedy, would it concern you then. I am not trying to sound harsh I just think you need to accept that the current situation is very serious and is coming to a town near you so to speak.

 

[Darkwood]

Ask yourself these questions ....

How many people will die this winter because they can't afford to eat properly or heat their homes ?

How many have died this year on the roads ?

How many will die due to a shortage of resource in the NHS.

How many will die this year due to the affects of self inflicted illness, through smoking and over eating.

How many will die due to the actions of a very few radicals.

When you've got the answers, when youve realized how many allready are dying in this Country through our inaction over things we really do have control over, then go figure out where our effects should be spent.

Obvioulsy the above only applies if you want to focus on maximizing the number of lives saved in this Country.

All relevent points sean in their own field and each would in itself warrant a thread of their own to discuss but I feel these points are not really relevent to the subject in hand here, I somewhat confused here, what has the death rate is due to RTA's or eating too many burgers has to do with questions raised about arming our police to be better able to handle a terrorist event?
It seems you have some very strong political views here your bursting to share but if we were to start reflecting on each of these points it would totally derail the thread topic, of course you could always start your own thread in Politics and Economy section raising your concerns

 

[sean_ork]

Now I'm confused (not really) - we now gone from a disaffected Muppet slashing with a breadknife to the beheading monsters that are ISIS - isnt that just a little OTT ?

You do know that you are falling into their trap ?

 

[GMES]

Thanks Darkwood, I was starting to think I had come into a different thread to the one I started, I too agree that Sean has some valid points but I cannot see the connection between them and me asking if we should Arm our police force in the light of prevailing acts of terrorism.

 

[GMES]

Sean the breadknife muppet as you call him said that his actions were in retaliation for events in syria which unless they've moved overnight is where isis operate.

 

[Midwest]

Whilst the concept of arming every single police officer might seem a good idea against defending ourselves against terrorist attack, it is not practical. The training of a police firearms officer takes quite some time and requires monthly refresher training. Also not every officer would be suitable, nor would all like to carry a firearm, quite a responsibility to use lethal force. Best left intensively trained selected few. If you look at the U.S. where all law enforcement are routinely armed, still doesn't stop 'Active Shooter' incidents, and one this week where the armed police officer shot the suspect whilst he was on the ground.