Its not just the Electrical Trainee, some of the old timers are just as bad

[Welchyboy1]

I had to wire the s plan boiler controls for a plumbing and heating company i work for reguarly

it turns out it was at the house of the electrician they use to use for all their electrical works but when part p came in he retired as he was in his early sixties anyway and didnt want the hassel, i took over from him

from the start of the job he was on me like a rash, litterally nose in my ear watching every move i made, making remarks about us whippersnappers in the trade nowadays(i'm 35)


well, well well, after listening to him bang on about how many years he was in the trade and all the things hes seen and done and the apprentices he has trained into expert electricians blah blah blah


i only had to wire up the new heating system from an existing spur,

1.5mm spurred from ring circuit supplying6x fcu units, 1x immersion tank, 2x pumps, 1x booster, boiler and bathroom UFH


sorted that out, then found room stat wired in 2 core t&e with bare earth as live out, not even sleeved, 13a fuse in boiler fcu

no main bonding at all, i explained to him that i had to install it to cert the job, and he just couldnt get his head round it, said it must be another rediculous regulation just been brought out!!
he said it was pointless as he had allready installed an earth rod.......he had, as he said, installed a rod, but the system was a tns with a ze of .21 so totally pointless

i hate to think of the work this bloke has left behind him over the last 40 years

 

[cprfenom]

That knot was pure workmanship!

 

[R G]

That knot was pure workmanship!

yep 2391 stuff...lol...

 

[HappyHippyDad]

You will always meet a cowboy who is time served, however they are far and few between, you will occassionally meet a competant Electrical Trainee, however they are far and few between lol, Imagine being able to talk to Tony and E54 for a couple of hours on a site and to absorb the knowlege they have, then imagine talking to a Electrical Trainee who wires up Houses for a couple of hours, I know which I would prefer, I would pay for the first and want to be paid for the second.

How much do I owe you by now then Mike? :smile5:

 

[cprfenom]

Eng54 kinda scares me.... There is no doubt that he knows so much about this line of work, but I would be scared to ask him a question directly!

 

[telectrix]

Skills like that come in handy at Xmas time , wrapping parcels ...

Maybe it was the heat shrink off the day....lol..

jeez. we had to improvise before cable ties were invented. these young 'uns have it easy. even got calculators now to perform a simple differential equation.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Eng54 kinda scares me.... There is no doubt that he knows so much about this line of work, but I would be scared to ask him a question directly!

Especially if the subject matter is TT earthing lol

 

[telectrix]

Eng54 kinda scares me.... There is no doubt that he knows so much about this line of work, but I would be scared to ask him a question directly!

eng54 won't bite. if you asked him a direct question, i'mm sure you'd get a civil, educated and pertinent answer.

 

[ipf]

Twisted and wrapped. This would have been considered a bodge even back in the day right ?


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The second one more than the first.......pvc involved, a lot later..

 

[7029 dave]

Yeah, some rough old badgers about.

 

[PEG]

Twisted and wrapped. This would have been considered a bodge even back in the day right ?


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...Served and wrapped,i would venture to suggest the artist did a lovely pork loin,and could perform an icicle hitch,in the dark...:icon12:

 

[Engineer54]

Eng54 kinda scares me.... There is no doubt that he knows so much about this line of work, but I would be scared to ask him a question directly!

Don't be, ...just make sure it's not a question that a first year trainee would/should know!!!
Unless you are a first year trainee of course!! lol!!

 

[ipf]

Don't be, ...just make sure it's not a question that a first year trainee would/should know!!!
Unless you are a first year trainee of course!! lol!!

Why is that pyro round and twin and earth flat? Oh and why no earth in the round stuff?

 

[The Electrician]

I had to wire the s plan boiler controls for a plumbing and heating company i work for reguarly

it turns out it was at the house of the electrician they use to use for all their electrical works but when part p came in he retired as he was in his early sixties anyway and didnt want the hassel, i took over from him

from the start of the job he was on me like a rash, litterally nose in my ear watching every move i made, making remarks about us whippersnappers in the trade nowadays(i'm 35)


well, well well, after listening to him bang on about how many years he was in the trade and all the things hes seen and done and the apprentices he has trained into expert electricians blah blah blah


i only had to wire up the new heating system from an existing spur,

1.5mm spurred from ring circuit supplying6x fcu units, 1x immersion tank, 2x pumps, 1x booster, boiler and bathroom UFH


sorted that out, then found room stat wired in 2 core t&e with bare earth as live out, not even sleeved, 13a fuse in boiler fcu

no main bonding at all, i explained to him that i had to install it to cert the job, and he just couldnt get his head round it, said it must be another rediculous regulation just been brought out!!
he said it was pointless as he had allready installed an earth rod.......he had, as he said, installed a rod, but the system was a tns with a ze of .21 so totally pointless

i hate to think of the work this bloke has left behind him over the last 40 years

This is a perfect example of why you should need an NVQ3 etc to get a gold card.
He sounds like he just wanted a quick qualification without learning anything so he could go out making money calling himself an "Electrician" - his brain works the same way as the Electrical Trainee kids.

 

[Engineer54]

This is a perfect example of why you should need an NVQ3 etc to get a gold card.
He sounds like he just wanted a quick qualification without learning anything so he could go out making money calling himself an "Electrician" - his brain works the same way as the Electrical Trainee kids.

I'm afraid you put far, far too much faith in these NVQ 3, they are to all intent and purposes nothing but a sticky plaster patch for the lack of practical working experience. They are also wide open to fraud and abuse!!