JIB - Completed Apprenticeship 1998

[Nolan1977]

Hi I’m having trouble with getting “Completed Apprenticeship” on back of my card although I’m graded as an “Installation Technical”.

I finished my apprenticeship in 1998. I didn’t ever remember receiving a JIB409 did they even exist then ? No idea where my training deeds are either. Did anyone finish their apprenticeship in 1998 or around that time and get a JIB 409 ?

 

[7029 dave]

I knew someone years ago, got graded by the JIB as an approved Electrician NO quals what so ever. When I asked him he said my firm gave references and the JIB ok'd it.
Bet that would not happen now lol.

 

[GBDamo]

JIB gold card usually tells me i'm going to have to around after them putting their mistakes right. At least that's what happens to me at work.

Very well put. Those who have these types of 'qualifications' are always very defensive of them. Maybe it's because they've been silly enough to spend all that time and money getting them.

The most successful and knowledgeable spark i know has his 18th edition and his 2392. Doesn't have anything else except experience. He also spends his days putting right the work of 'time served' electricians who can't wire meters the right way round.

And that's the crux, it's the man not the paper.

In the last five years we've employed three traditionally qualified sparks.

1, was a lovely lad, technically competent but couldn't tell one end of a screwdriver from the other, totally practically inept. Had to go, now works at a university as on site maintenance. Best of luck to him.

2, all the paper and cards, shiny tools, didn't want to work, Had to go, don't keep in touch.

3, pressent one, and a keeper. All the paper, practically solid, if a bit rough, but the regs may as well be written in a foreign language. But most importantly he wants to improve and and isn't too proud to ask a five week wonder for guidance.

As bad a short course sparks running amok causing mayhem are, and there are many, traditionally qualified with bad attitudes are as bad.

 

[Aaron b]

I did a domestic installers course about ten years ago, with inspection and test. Then a skills assessment through NAPIT to gain their Approved Contractor status about five years ago. Without digging out the paper icouldnt list the exact courses.

Along the way I've done a few short courses, EV course, EM lighting, basically when something new comes along, do a course.

After my recent interactions with the "professionals" I'm looking into fire alarm installation.

Don't claim to know it all but I do know what I don't know and how to go about gaining the knowledge.

So is there a difference between your membership and a time served apprentices? With the new domestic installer apprenticeship it sounds like there will need to be a bridging unit.

It sounds like you have treated the course how it was intended, I think most people on this forum are generally a better bunch of people as they are normally looking to learn.

 

[GBDamo]

So is there a difference between your membership and a time served apprentices? With the new domestic installer apprenticeship it sounds like there will need to be a bridging unit.

No, not to my knowledge, we have approved contractor status.

It sounds like you have treated the course how it was intended, I think most people on this forum are generally a better bunch of people as they are normally looking to learn.

I fully aware of that and have learned a lot of members past and pressent.

 

[7029 dave]

I knew someone years ago, got graded by the JIB as an approved Electrician NO quals what so ever. When I asked him he said my firm gave references and the JIB ok'd it.
Bet that would not happen now lol.

Forgot to add the firm he worked for were in the JIB

 

[Eddy Currents]

The length of time it took me to do the 18th edition course is indicative of how long i've been doing electrics for?

No, but you have stated you spent a decade not being taken on and was taken on when you did your 18th, so not very long

1. I'm not a 'mate', i do full installs on my own, mate.

Your qualifications say otherwise, look up the definitions of mate, improver & electrician
You also shouldn't be doing FULL installs if your being employed as an improver

2. Where did i call myself qualified? Oh, that's right, absolutely nowhere.

It's right there in your profile which you filled out when you registered here and this is what you selected

"What type of forum member are you? Practising Electrician (Qualified - Domestic or Commercial etc)"

If we're gonna be petty too you'll probably be glad to know that i'm likely on the same or more money than you even though i've not got any tickets.

You are not even close to what I'm on but it wouldn't bother me even if you were

You're having a pop here because you're carrying it over from that other thread that you failed to read properly.

I read it perfectly fine, you was encouraging someone with no qualifications and no experience to get a CSCS card and then register with an agency as an improver which is a total lie and in my view would be gaining money by deception which is fraud
If I was sent someone like that from an agency, they wouldn't last 5 minutes before they were out the door

Not only that but you constantly state that ALL of the correct ways into the industry are a waste of time and money. I have no problem with anyone having them views about some of the routes but not to take ANY route at all is irresponsible in my view
and I'm not carrying over from other thread, I just find it amazing that someone with virtually no qualifications is having a pop at someone who quite rightly would like their correct title on their card after years of being on £40 a week

If these are your views and it's working for you then fine but as I have said previously please don't encourage others to do the same which could possibly go horribly wrong for them. There are plenty of ways into the industry even via the short course route or even experienced worker route but just the 18th edition is NOT a route at all

 

[Aaron b]

I'm currently formalising my qualifications through the EWA. It doesn't seem difficult but it's time consuming and it would have been easier and faster doing a 5 week course.

Although the gold card is usually spoken about for commercial and industrial work my experiences have been the opposite. There's no part p and with a big company even the QS doesn't need to be fully qualified they only need to hold the 2391. No installers where I work have done a nvq and most haven't even been on a course.