JIB Gold Card?

[robsparky1975]

I got my ecs card last week C&G 2360 PART 1 AND 2,16TH AND 17TH EDITION AND 2391.

Adult trainee as no nvq 3,well another £500 to fork out sometime soon,cant be a trainee forever lol.

 

[Welchyboy]

I just did mine last Tuesday. Got the 'cert' yesterday. PITA but they have you by the short n curlies.

^^^yep, It's an absolute joke, anyone whos in that exam room longer than 15 minutes needs shooting!

 

[MNR]

^^^yep, It's an absolute joke, anyone whos in that exam room longer than 15 minutes needs shooting!

But there again on a firm I worked for, eighteen of us went for it three failed. Two apprentices and one sparks. Our foreman wouldn't let us know who failed tho which is a shame.

 

[Welchyboy]

But there again on a firm I worked for, eighteen of us went for it three failed. Two apprentices and one sparks. Our foreman wouldn't let us know who failed tho which is a shame.

And there are installing electrical systems? God help that firm! A trained monkey could pass that test, you get the answer book FFS!

 

[lledlledlled]

Any idea what an Irish trained electrician needs to do to get a JIB card? And what grade would I get, considering I have three years post apprenticeship experience.

 

[Bales]

You will get graded as an Electrician if you get the 17th edition and do the ECS course. http://www.ecscard.org.uk/ If you get the test & inspection qualification you can get graded as Approved Electrician.

ELECTRICIANS TRAINED OVERSEAS
Anyone trained overseas should contact UK Naric on 0870 990 4088 to have their qualifications
evaluated and hold the City and Guilds IEE 17th edition Qualification and a valid health and safety
assessment. Bona fide references must be supplied to confirm experience and competence.

http://www.ett-ni.org/media/5dbf4fcb16bf419983aa190b9ed5a61eJIB Card Application Form.pdf


NARIC - Individuals

Email the JIB to confirm first though as they they maybe familiar with Irish qualifications and may recognise them without evaluation by Naric. '[email protected]'

 

[rattlehead85]

You will get graded as an Electrician if you get the 17th edition and do the ECS course. http://www.ecscard.org.uk/ If you get the test & inspection qualification you can get graded as Approved Electrician.


http://www.ett-ni.org/media/5dbf4fcb16bf419983aa190b9ed5a61eJIB Card Application Form.pdf


NARIC - Individuals

Email the JIB to confirm first though as they they maybe familiar with Irish qualifications and may recognise them without evaluation by Naric. '[email protected]'

And these people are one of the problems in our industry. They translate anything put in front of them without getting stuff checked or investigated. Hence that's why we have so many eastern europeans holding JIB gold cards and the like who don't even have a remote idea how to even wire a 2 way lighting circuit!!

 

[rattlehead85]

And these people are one of the problems in our industry. They translate anything put in front of them without getting stuff checked or investigated. Hence that's why we have so many eastern europeans holding JIB gold cards and the like who don't even have a remote idea how to even wire a 2 way lighting circuit!!

Evaluation by Naric... JOKE!!

 

[Bales]

Just an update, I contacted the JIB and they emailed me back to say I don't need an NVQ3 to get graded.

Good afternoon,

Thank you for your enquiry

I have looked into this and the AM2 is the only thing left you require as you done your part 1 & 2 before 1996 so when you have done this you will just need to complete the attached application with copies of your qualifications ie parts 1 & 2 and 2391 and AM2 when achieved, also if you could attach a copy of the letter you have attached with your email highlighting the section stating all you require is AM2 and we will be able to process this

Regards

Kayleigh King
Senior Administrator | ECS Administration

Ok so if I gained my C&G parts 1&2 in 1991 would I only need the AM2 or would I also need the NVQ3 now?

The JIB seem to contradict themselves where in one instance they say either and in another both.
Joint Industry Board

"1.2 Approved Electrician

Qualification and TrainingMust satisfy the following four conditions:(1) Must have been a registered Apprentice or undergone some equivalent method of training and have had practical training in electrical installation work.(2) Must have obtained an NVQ Level 3 in electrical installation work (or approved equivalent) - See Note 1.(3) Must have had two years' experience working as an Electrician subsequent to the satisfactory completion of training and immediately prior to the application for this grade.(4) Must have demonstrated competence and obtained a suitable qualification (the City & Guilds 2391 or the EAL Level 3 Diploma in Inspecting and Testing Electrotechnical Systems and Equipement (500/3542/3) are suitable qualifications) in the inspection, testing and commissioning of installations - see Note 2.Note 1: If the applicant meets the other three criteria but has not achieved an NVQ Level 3 in electrical installation, then a "Provisional" grading may be awarded if the following criteria are both satisfied:(a) have obtained at least the City & Guilds 2360 Electrical Installation Theory Part 2 Course Certificate or EAL Diploma in Electrotechnical Services (500/3526/5 (Or approved equivelent).(b) have obtained Achievement Measurement 2 or must be able, with the application for Grading and any other relevant supporting evidence (i.e. the City & Guilds Electricians Certificate) which may be required, to satisfy the Grading Committee of his experience and suitability."

http://www.ett-ni.org/media/5dbf4fcb16bf419983aa190b9ed5a61eJIB Card Application Form.pdfCRAFT CARD ELECTRICIAN / INDUSTRY ACCREDITATION A copy of Apprenticeship Deeds or Completion Certificate, plus bona fide references from your
employers.
OR City & Guilds 2360 Parts One & Two achieved before 1996, plus AM2 Test, plus bona fide
references from your employers.
CRAFT CARD ELECTRICIAN
City & Guilds 2360 Parts One & Two or 2351 or 2330 Levels Two & Three, plus NVQ Level 3 in your
appropriate Electrical Discipline plus bona fide references from your employers.

APPROVED ELECTRICIAN
Mandatory requirements for this grade are the City and Guilds 17th edition and the City and Guilds
2391 Testing Inspection and Certification certificates or equivalent.

 

[rattlehead85]

Just an update, I contacted the JIB and they emailed me back to say I don't need an NVQ3 to get graded.

Funny that... the guy who worked on my last contract has been working in the industry for nearly 20 years. Has a 2360 pt1&2 + 2391 and an AM2 and was refused an approved JIB graded card coz he didn't have an NVQ3. He got sent an apprentice grade card. Mr Bodgeov gains a gold card with just a 17th edition course and a load of references which he admitted to me he got from a mate of his in Bulgaria which he payed to get stamped up before taking them to Naric. A DISGRACE!!

 

[lledlledlled]

You will get graded as an Electrician if you get the 17th edition and do the ECS course. http://www.ecscard.org.uk/ If you get the test & inspection qualification you can get graded as Approved Electrician.


http://www.ett-ni.org/media/5dbf4fcb16bf419983aa190b9ed5a61eJIB Card Application Form.pdf


NARIC - Individuals

Email the JIB to confirm first though as they they maybe familiar with Irish qualifications and may recognise them without evaluation by Naric. '[email protected]'

Cheers mate. I emailed JIB who got back to me with the following:

[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]"... if you are interested in applying for an ECS card to do electrical work on site [/FONT][FONT=Arial,sans-serif]in order to apply for a Electrician grade you are required to send a photo copy of City and Guild 2330 Level 2 and 3 & NVQ Level 3 along with reference completing section 10 on the application form, along with the above requested your employer or sub contractor if you are self employed, which can be downloaded from our website [/FONT][FONT=Arial,sans-serif]www.ecscard.org.uk[/FONT][FONT=Arial,sans-serif]. For more information regarding card types please look on our website."
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Does this mean I'll have to do C&G[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 2330 Level 2 or will my Irish qualifications be equivalent to this?

[/FONT]Also, do I need to have an employer before getting the card? I was hoping that getting the card would help me find employment, not the other way round. I'll probably need a UK address too. I hadn't intended moving until I'd sourced a job. I was hoping a JIB Card would help in that regard.

Hopefully I can avoid going through NARIC. I sent the same query to the SJIB and they said they only ask people to do this if they qualified through a language other than English. Apart from the obvious, is there much difference in having the JIB versus the SJIB? Can you use JIB in Scotland and/or SJIB in England?

Long term, I would like to work offshore but to build up the necessary contacts and experience I'm trying to get a job in the Oil & Gas industry onshore for a year or so first. That will most likely involve working in an oil services company in Aberdeen or working in a petrochem facility like Mossmorran or Grangemouth. Apart from the money I'll have to spend on courses such as CompEx, I've noticed that many of the jobs I've seen advertised look for a JIB or SJIB Card so that's why I'm here! It just seems like one ticket after another and nobody seems to know exactly what's needed... JIB, SJIB, C&G, 17th Edition, CCNSG, ECS Health & Safety, IPAF, NARIC... No doubt I'm missing a few.

Thanks for the help guys.

 

[Bales]

Cheers mate. I emailed JIB who got back to me with the following:

"... if you are interested in applying for an ECS card to do electrical work on site in order to apply for a Electrician grade you are required to send a photo copy of City and Guild 2330 Level 2 and 3 & NVQ Level 3 along with reference completing section 10 on the application form, along with the above requested your employer or sub contractor if you are self employed, which can be downloaded from our website www.ecscard.org.uk. For more information regarding card types please look on our website."

Does this mean I'll have to do C&G 2330 Level 2 or will my Irish qualifications be equivalent to this?

Also, do I need to have an employer before getting the card? I was hoping that getting the card would help me find employment, not the other way round. I'll probably need a UK address too. I hadn't intended moving until I'd sourced a job. I was hoping a JIB Card would help in that regard.

Hopefully I can avoid going through NARIC. I sent the same query to the SJIB and they said they only ask people to do this if they qualified through a language other than English. Apart from the obvious, is there much difference in having the JIB versus the SJIB? Can you use JIB in Scotland and/or SJIB in England?

Long term, I would like to work offshore but to build up the necessary contacts and experience I'm trying to get a job in the Oil & Gas industry onshore for a year or so first. That will most likely involve working in an oil services company in Aberdeen or working in a petrochem facility like Mossmorran or Grangemouth. Apart from the money I'll have to spend on courses such as CompEx, I've noticed that many of the jobs I've seen advertised look for a JIB or SJIB Card so that's why I'm here! It just seems like one ticket after another and nobody seems to know exactly what's needed... JIB, SJIB, C&G, 17th Edition, CCNSG, ECS Health & Safety, IPAF, NARIC... No doubt I'm missing a few.

Thanks for the help guys.

To be graded as an Electrician the only courses "you need to do" is the 17th edition (UK wiring Regs) and the ECS course (Site Safety Course).

When I worked for a JIB firm a few Irish sparks got graded, I am sure all they sent in was there trade papers to be recognised. The SJIB take on it that you only need Naric if the qualifications are in a foreign language seem like commonsense so the JIB should be same. Email the JIB back and possibly scan and attach your trade papers and ask them specifically if you need them recognised by Naric or will they accept them directly as they are in English and that you have accepted them in the past and the SJIB still do today.

ESC is an exam not a course you are expected to study at home http://www.sjib.org.uk/documents/Revised Questions Booklet ECS032 V8 (06.04.2012) Master.pdf and then attend to do an online mutable choice exam. I did mine through Unite. Book an ECS H&S assessment

The 17th edition can also been done through home study if you can find a course provider that will let you do the exam only. The exam is an open book online multiblechoice exam I did mine through these guys for about £70. Alpha BSE Training offers quality Electrical Training Courses, 17th Edition, Part P, Inspection and Testing, Electrical Installation Course

 

[Bales]

Funny that... the guy who worked on my last contract has been working in the industry for nearly 20 years. Has a 2360 pt1&2 + 2391 and an AM2 and was refused an approved JIB graded card coz he didn't have an NVQ3. He got sent an apprentice grade card. Mr Bodgeov gains a gold card with just a 17th edition course and a load of references which he admitted to me he got from a mate of his in Bulgaria which he payed to get stamped up before taking them to Naric. A DISGRACE!!

That's very perturbing. I was working with a Romanian guy on site who was so bad that I asked him to his face if he was a spark. After much pressing he admitted that he was a qualified Tv repair man so I said that "you are not a spark then" oh he said "All I need do is the 17th edition and I am qualified!" I laughed out loud at the time but perhaps he was right after all!!

 

[rattlehead85]

This Naric lot need investigating coz from what i have seem and heard they will translate anything put in front of them. They don't even know the difference between an official technical document and a roll of Andrex!!

 

[Bales]

Had a quick look it does appear to be open to abuse.
Naric don't appear to validate or verify the documents they only offer a "Statement of Comparability" as such they only require photocopies. This however could be used to imply the legitimacy of a fake certificate or qualification.
For a £46 fee nobody could have the resources to validate a document so it's the JIB fault if they are taking these documents at face value without doing proper checks to insure there authenticity.

The JIB have themselves to blame if there recognising bogus Electricians with out proper verification checks so they is no excuse to be putting the public at risk by this scam.
At they very least they should be demanding the completion of a NVQ and AM2 and why not if they are also asking UK sparks time served over decades to do the same.

Edit: It does appear that Naric do validate the qualifications after all. NARIC - Application Procedures Due to the UK ratifying the Lisbon Recognition Convention http://www.coe.int/t/dg4/highereducation/recognition/lrc_EN.asp the onus is on the UK to prove a qualification is not up to UK standards rather then the other way around. This might be easy for University degrees but difficult for trade qualifications especially if the basis is work experienced that can be faked by bogus references and statements.