Junction Boxes

[ITRIM]

I'm extending my kitchen which requires me to cut into the downstairs ringmain for further extension for more sockets. Is it safe and legal to use a 30AMP junction box (it's not possible for me to continue from an existing socket) to start the ringmain extension and loop back into using a junction box - or should I use crimps? The joins will be hidden in the ceiling void. Thanks Rich.

 

[WDMDL]

Hmm I have had the odd couple of loose terminals in hidden JBs.
Doing a RFC test as part of a PIR late last year i got 15 ohms for r1.
Further investigation narrowed it to between two sockets in the kitchen.
So it was a trip down the crawlspace.
JB was screwed to a floor joist... must have been vibration from the washing machine above that worked the screws loose.

Also had a number of loose terminal screws in switches and sockets on neighbours' houses - vibration from adjacent railway combined with brand of accessories I think. Strangely no similar problems on my own house.

Simon.

 

[D80]

I agree Dave but how many of those DIYers would be willing to not have their car serviced by a qualified mechanic on a regular basis or how many would service their own central heating system?
Electrics... Piece of cake
Discuss

When the likes of B&Q are banned from selling all the gear to rewire a house, plus they give guidance on how to do parts of it, then we are moving forward.

Until Electrical Wholesalers are a bit more stringent on who they sell to, like lets say food wholesalers (much harder for public to buy food from wholesalers than electrical wiring & accessories - mad mad world!) then we are moving forward.

In England and Wales in particular with Part P, what do they think normal homeowner is going to do with the goods bought? Its not likely a spark will ever see it, nor is it likely to be used in a commercial/industrial site. If the DIY'er can't get materials so easily, less likely for problems to occur.

 

[jase]

Van service up the local garage = £250 + day off work
parts from eurocarparts = £55 ad i can do it on sunday

So people do service their own cars, and their are plenty of places that joe public can buy car parts, just as there are places that sell electric gear, and come to think of it you can go to B&Q and buy all the plumbing gear under the sun, so if you are confident in your own ability to solder copper piping there would be nothing stopping you running a new pipe from your gas meter to your new cooker point , so its not just electrics that joe public can "have a go at" if they feel like it.
come to think of it i saw tiles in wickes, and plaster, breeze blocks, drainage, hmmmmmm you could probably build a house without being a builder!!!!!

 

[rich.250]

When the likes of B&Q are banned from selling all the gear to rewire a house, plus they give guidance on how to do parts of it, then we are moving forward.

Call me sad but I sent a complaint to B & Q as there how to do it books and posters are still to 16th edition!!

 

[Guitarist]

When the likes of B&Q are banned from selling all the gear to rewire a house, plus they give guidance on how to do parts of it, then we are moving forward.

Call me sad but I sent a complaint to B & Q as there how to do it books and posters are still to 16th edition!!

It does say at the bottom that all work must comply with the latest regs. That will stop a DIY'er getting it wrong for sure!!! LOL

 

[rich.250]

Ah I stand corrected LOL

 

[trev]

Yes people do carry out work on their own cars however, a car has to pass an annual safety inspection before it can be used on the roads. If this has not been done then the local constabulary will be having a word with you and can take the car off you, hit you with penalty points and a fine.
Cowboys and Joe Public testing their work?

 

[IzzyS]

In England and Wales in particular with Part P, what do they think normal homeowner is going to do with the goods bought? Its not likely a spark will ever see it, nor is it likely to be used in a commercial/industrial site. If the DIY'er can't get materials so easily, less likely for problems to occur.

I'm not a qualified chef, but I'm allowed to buy raw chicken, and not let a chef "see it".

As far as I'm aware, it is not illegal for DIYers to "do" electrics IF notified to building control, so there's no problem selling them the materials. My wholesaler sells to anyone despite the big notice that says "STRICTLY TRADE ONLY". They're in business to make money, same as the rest of us. As long as we do that within the law, we can sleep easily. There will always be people who break the rules, and they're not all DIYers.

 

[D Skelton]

It makes me laugh how a guy comes on here to ask a simple question, about work he's doing in his OWN house and the first four or five post are people just having a go at him and telling him he's going to kill everybody. As soon as he elaborates a bit you all suddenly see the error in your ways and start giving answers.
Talking of killing everybody, how many people die in accidents in the home each year? about 4000, and how many are killed by the fixed wiring in their home? about 15. Bit bloody dramatic no? A DIYer changing the brake pads on his car is more likely to cause a fatality.

Rant over.

I think you'll find that I occupy the second post of this thread and along with my concern about the OP carrying out this work, I still gave a direct answer!

 

[nickblake]

nick, i hope you are celebrating, mate. did you watch the match?

i saw the end was working good close well fought match

 

[DNS1]

Yes people do carry out work on their own cars however, a car has to pass an annual safety inspection before it can be used on the roads. If this has not been done then the local constabulary will be having a word with you and can take the car off you, hit you with penalty points and a fine.

Not the case mate...

A car has to pass an inspection once a year, it can be used for at 364 days after DIY work on it.

I'm sure there are mechanics out there who are complaining about untrained people doing "potentially deadly" work on their cars.

Life cannot be risk free, it's a fact. As someone has said, should be stop Tesco from selling a chicken in case an untrained person undercooks it and gives the family food poisoning?

 

[Guest111]

Not the case mate...

A car has to pass an inspection once a year, it can be used for at 364 days after DIY work on it.

I'm sure there are mechanics out there who are complaining about untrained people doing "potentially deadly" work on their cars.

Life cannot be risk free, it's a fact. As someone has said, should be stop Tesco from selling a chicken in case an untrained person undercooks it and gives the family food poisoning?

quite correct,in fact it actually states that an mot only indicates that the car meets required standard at time of test,eg your car has 4 bald tyres which you cannot afford to replace so you borrow 4 off a mates car pass test and then put baldy,s back on,car was good at time of test,you now sell car complete with baldy,s and new mot,purchaser gets stopped and produces new mot and cop points out the above refering to condition at time of test end off. btw funny how we get from sparking to mechanics aint it lol

 

[Adam W]

As someone has said, should be stop Tesco from selling a chicken in case an untrained person undercooks it and gives the family food poisoning?

Tesco might sell you a chicken, but try to buy a knife and they might ask you for ID. Same with fireworks.
They've even been known to try to stop people buying spoons.

 

[jase]

now that would make a good headline on news at ten " 19 yr old critically ill after spooning in south london" !!!

 

[ipf]

now that would make a good headline on news at ten " 19 yr old critically ill after spooning in south london" !!!

Fork off.........I'm not having that one.