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Davey101
Now I know I might get some raised eyebrows, or possibly shot down in flames, but I'd rather be honest than pretend that I'm a super spark who always does things by the book. Also, I should point out that I am a 35 year old approved spark, with my 2391, and I've just spent 3 months testing a largish job for the firm I work for. Because I dont work for myself , I am not registered with anyone, and have zero knowledge of 'part P'. I was under the impression that part p was a pretty slap dash sort of test, and the tester would only be there 1/2 hour, seems he was more thorough than I was expecting
I've just wired my parents new kitchen, and have had it 'part p' inspected. Its failed on a several things, a couple of which I could do with advice on please.
1 Outside lights- I wired 2 lights with a 3 core flex (I had ran out of 4 core), unfortunatley the lights I bought didnt have an overide facility to enable them to be manually left on by 'flicking' the switch on, off, on (the first outside lights I've seen for a long time that didnt have that facility)
Anyway, to get them working in manual, I used the green/yellow core from the switch to the first light as a switchwire, and obviously sleeved it brown both ends. I then cut the flex between fittings, installed a JB (accesible in the loft), and wired in a cpc from the main lighting circuit. (I only needed a switch live, neutral and earth between fittings.
I understand from reg 514.4.2 that a "single core cable coloured G/Y shall only be used as a protective conductor, and not be over marked at their terminations". Presumably this means that sleeving a G/Y in a flex or similar is ok?
The tester picked up the fact (wrongly) that the light fittings were not earthed (I presume that he just saw the lack of a cpc from the switch and assumed the worst). I will explain to him the wiring arrangement, but am not sure if I will then get picked up for using the cpc for live.
2.Utility room- The kitchen and shower room have, or will have when they are finished, fans fitted, however I wasn't planning on putting a fan in the utility room (because my parents didnt want one). The room has an opening window, but the part P spark tells me that I also need to install a fan. I was under the impression (wrongly) that I didnt need one because of the window. After a bit of digging around the net, it seems I do need one, although the issue of the window is a bit vague, can someone give a reg that shows you do definatley need one, even with a window?
It also failed on the wrong size fuse in the(temporary) FCU supplying the extract hood (I didn't have one with me, and totally forgot about it (I was going to change it when I changed the FCU))
It also failed on 2 KO boxes not having grommets in (I ran out of grommets, and thought I'd get away with it).
Three questions then-
1. Can I use the G/Y core as a live conductor
2. Although it isn't obvious how the light fittings are earthed, thus failing the inspection part, is it acceptable to simply prove they have an earth by doing an R1+R2, or R2 test?
3. Do I definatley need a fan in the utility room, despite it having a window?
Also, although it is obviously good practice, where is the reg stating that grommets must be used (I'm not saying that they dont have to be, and I would also fail an installation if it didnt have them)
Cheers, Dave.
I've just wired my parents new kitchen, and have had it 'part p' inspected. Its failed on a several things, a couple of which I could do with advice on please.
1 Outside lights- I wired 2 lights with a 3 core flex (I had ran out of 4 core), unfortunatley the lights I bought didnt have an overide facility to enable them to be manually left on by 'flicking' the switch on, off, on (the first outside lights I've seen for a long time that didnt have that facility
)Anyway, to get them working in manual, I used the green/yellow core from the switch to the first light as a switchwire, and obviously sleeved it brown both ends. I then cut the flex between fittings, installed a JB (accesible in the loft), and wired in a cpc from the main lighting circuit. (I only needed a switch live, neutral and earth between fittings.
I understand from reg 514.4.2 that a "single core cable coloured G/Y shall only be used as a protective conductor, and not be over marked at their terminations". Presumably this means that sleeving a G/Y in a flex or similar is ok?
The tester picked up the fact (wrongly) that the light fittings were not earthed (I presume that he just saw the lack of a cpc from the switch and assumed the worst). I will explain to him the wiring arrangement, but am not sure if I will then get picked up for using the cpc for live.
2.Utility room- The kitchen and shower room have, or will have when they are finished, fans fitted, however I wasn't planning on putting a fan in the utility room (because my parents didnt want one). The room has an opening window, but the part P spark tells me that I also need to install a fan. I was under the impression (wrongly) that I didnt need one because of the window. After a bit of digging around the net, it seems I do need one, although the issue of the window is a bit vague, can someone give a reg that shows you do definatley need one, even with a window?
It also failed on the wrong size fuse in the(temporary) FCU supplying the extract hood (I didn't have one with me, and totally forgot about it (I was going to change it when I changed the FCU))
It also failed on 2 KO boxes not having grommets in (I ran out of grommets, and thought I'd get away with it
).Three questions then-
1. Can I use the G/Y core as a live conductor
2. Although it isn't obvious how the light fittings are earthed, thus failing the inspection part, is it acceptable to simply prove they have an earth by doing an R1+R2, or R2 test?
3. Do I definatley need a fan in the utility room, despite it having a window?
Also, although it is obviously good practice, where is the reg stating that grommets must be used (I'm not saying that they dont have to be, and I would also fail an installation if it didnt have them)
Cheers, Dave.
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