Kitchen downlighters - what certificate?

[rocker]

Evenin' all, I'm putting some SELV fire rated downlighters in a kitchen. The ceiling is above 2.25m, so it's out of zones. Currently there is one pendant in the middle of the room.

Can I write a minor certificate for this? It's on existing circuit and out of zones, don't really see the point of writing an installation cert, but is there anything I'm not thinking about regarding the kitchen? Cheers.

 

[ezzzekiel]

you are not installing a new circuit, just adding to the original also kitchens are no longer classed as sp. location

 

[romani]

IEE Electrician's guide to the building regulations PART P

"A kitchen is particularly identified in Aproved Document as being a location where:
- adding a lighting point, light fiting and switches to existing circuit
- adding socket-outlets and fused spurs
is required to be notified to building cobtrol "

 

[rocker]

Yea but a kitchen as defined by the regs is an area with a sink and food preperation areas, and within the zones i.e. anything above 2.25m is no longer a kitchen as far as the regs are concerned. So technically I'm just extending (or even just modifying) a circuit in a normal location. As far as I can see, that isn't notifiable.

Don't know why I'm bothered really, an installation cert isn't that much more work but turning off all the power for the house to get a Ze reading for the sake of a few downlighters seems excessively disruptive.

Ezekiel have kitchen been declassified to a normal location??? When did this happen?

 

[cbw]

OK This is what I would do....Minor works certificate and notify LABC

My understanding of kitchens being special locations is that IEE no longer see it as a special location HOWEVER LABC do!

 

[rocker]

Hmm well I aint going to do a minor and then pay Control their fee, I may as well do an installation cert through Elecsa, innit.

 

[flukey]

Hmm well I aint going to do a minor and then pay Control their fee, I may as well do an installation cert through Elecsa, innit.

why cant you do a minor through elecsa

 

[cbw]

Thats what I do.......

Minor works cert and notify via the web.

You have stuck a couple of lights on not installed a circuit.

 

[rocker]

Well a minor isn't notifiable, even if I were to put one through elecsa then they are not going to notify LABC, surely.

 

[cbw]

I dont understand your point, why would you want to do an EIC for what may be the whole house lighting circuit when youve just stuck another light on?

I certainly wont issue EIC for someone elses work, its a mine field.

You have carried out a minor works, issue the correct certificate and inform LABC via the web.

Elecsa do not need to see the certificate and at your annual inspect may look at one or two but whats the problem as long as you do it right?

If your saying you must certify others work to inform LABC then I have been doing it wrong for ages, downlighter above a shower done yesterday.....minor works and notify.

I hope I am not wrong as what a pain up the bottom it will be if you have to do EIC for a poxy light!

 

[rocker]

No that's cool it makes sense to me, apart from the informing part - if we are filling in a minor works cert, then by definition the work is non-notifiable, so why are we informing LABC?

How do you inform online? It strikes me that my council do not let you inform without a planning form with which comes a charge - theres no way I'm paying £110 on every minor job I do.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

The 2.25m 'out of zone ' you are referring to is for bath/shower rooms,there are no zones for kitchens.
It comes under part P so minor works and notify BC is required....normally as a registered contractor you notify BC through your scheme provider online for a fee of a pound or two.If you are not registered you should notify before starting work and cough up the fee. There is no need to notify if the work is a like for like replacement of an existing light.

 

[cbw]

Rocker, PM inbound, hope it helps!

 

[romani]

wirepuller
agree, and by the way any extra low voltage fittings except preassembled are special installation - notifiable even if is in bedroom

 

[EddieB]

Minor Works and Notify. If your NICEIC it's about £1.50p, that just about the price of a cup of coffee!!

 

[rocker]

CBW thanks man been a great help.

Romani they are plug and play. Already assembled as far as the JB.

Never understood why SELV that aint plug and play is notifiable. Anyone know why?

 

[jimmyjazz]

Well a minor isn't notifiable, even if I were to put one through elecsa then they are not going to notify LABC, surely.

Had my Elecsa assessment last week, he actually questioned why I did not have any notified mionr certs.

 

[romani]

CBW thanks man been a great help.

Romani they are plug and play. Already assembled as far as the JB.

Never understood why SELV that aint plug and play is notifiable. Anyone know why?

Have no idea




so I don't. Remember I've asked my instructor on Part P course, and he couldn't give me unambiguous answer too

 

[empress]

No that's cool it makes sense to me, apart from the informing part - if we are filling in a minor works cert, then by definition the work is non-notifiable, so why are we informing LABC?

How do you inform online? It strikes me that my council do not let you inform without a planning form with which comes a charge - theres no way I'm paying £110 on every minor job I do.

Are you with elecsa yourself or is someone else certing for you ?.
this is basic stuff if your with a scheme provider so i don't understand your thinking.