Kitchen Light Circuit????

[ngoodson1969]

Hi All,

I just wondered whether the circuit below will work:
A 2 gang switch, 1 switch does the pendant, the other does the 4 down-lighters and a separate single switch for the under-cupboard lights? Thanks.

 

[Mark.W]

LOL my thoughts exactly!

 

[Mark.W]

I agree with everyone else, this would seem a lot easier.

Soz your drawing for was an 8 out of 10 mine is a 2

 

[baldsparkies]

In commercial installs with singles in conduit ect, I can think of many reasons why taking the neutral feeds through the switch route would be a must, cost wise, and practicability of application. How about heat build up caused by eddy currents and emf's with metalics between line and neutrals. All need to be considered.

 

[saveloy]

Apart from the missed neutral , that's the proper way to wire (3 plate) , I've been sparking for 35 years and I don't wire neutrals to switches, leave that for the Poles.!

Sorry, but I do lot a work in new build extensions with flat roofs.The easist method without leaving unaccesable JBs in the roof space, is to take the neutrals down to the light switch. Also how can a JB be deemed accesable under a laminate/ solid oak floor for inspection and testing. I'ts never been a problem for me on an NIC assesment either.

 

[ngoodson1969]

How about this circuit then, is this OK?

 

[Lou7]

Sorry chaps, are you on a wind up ! Conduit system wiring is your basic 2-plate , why would you save cable, in this case 1 feed 3 s/l to switch. Also who said anything about inaccessible JB's Light 1 is a pendant, no JB,Lights 2,3,4,5 downlights,75mm hole in ceiling easy access to JB, Light s 6,7 pelmet lights <JB fixed to bottom of cupboard.( REMOVED RACIST COMMENT)!!!

Baldsparkie, EDDY CURRENTS are you sure!
You're not Baldkitchenfitter in disguise are you?

 

[Spudnik]

Sorry chaps, are you on a wind up ! Conduit system wiring is your basic 2-plate , why would you save cable, in this case 1 feed 3 s/l to switch. Also who said anything about inaccessible JB's Light 1 is a pendant, no JB,Lights 2,3,4,5 downlights,75mm hole in ceiling easy access to JB, Light s 6,7 pelmet lights <JB fixed to bottom of cupboard. !!!

Baldsparkie, EDDY CURRENTS are you sure!
You're not Baldkitchenfitter in disguise are you?

We are still waiting for you to explain why taking neutrals to light switches is bad practice?

 

[Lou7]

As I said earlier there are no regs against it, so do as you like. If you think it's OK then go ahead,
but please tell me why would you take neutral to switch if wiring in conduit.

Don't tell me you tube to the switch first !!

 

[saveloy]

Sorry chaps, are you on a wind up ! Conduit system wiring is your basic 2-plate , why would you save cable, in this case 1 feed 3 s/l to switch. Also who said anything about inaccessible JB's Light 1 is a pendant, no JB,Lights 2,3,4,5 downlights,75mm hole in ceiling easy access to JB, Light s 6,7 pelmet lights <JB fixed to bottom of cupboard. !!!

Baldsparkie, EDDY CURRENTS are you sure!
You're not Baldkitchenfitter in disguise are you?

I mentioned inaccessable JB's as a reason to take neutrals down to switches.

Are you saying that you connect the downlights to JBs. If so, then this is considered bad practice and not in accordance with BS7671, if the JBs are not fixed and the cables to the downlights are not clipped, as JB's do not have cord grips. If they are fixed and all cables clipped then I fail to see how they will be accessable for maintenance and inspection and testing, through a 75mm hole.

As I said earlier there are no regs against it, so do as you like. If you think it's OK then go ahead,
but please tell me why would you take neutral to switch if wiring in conduit.

Don't tell me you tube to the switch first !!

Why would you want to wire a kitchen in conduit, it would'nt look very nice.

 

[Lou7]

Ashley J501 16 Amp Downlighter Junction Box

the conduit thing was response to someone else, Baldsparkies I think.

Ashley J804 Maintenance Free Junction Box 20A 4 Terminal

 

[Gravid]

Hey up 1969, your drawing is the same as Brightsparks, only you have added an extra bit of twin and earth at the switch ! You only need to link the common at the switch, it doesn't need a neutral with it.

I've been JBing DL's for ages Saveloy, the connectors on them are usually rubbish, and rarely can you get two twins in, ( although i have noticed recently they are generally getting better ) if the JB is sat on plaster board can't see the problem.

 

[Mac]

Anyway how's it going with you mate.

 

[Mark.W]

Yeah going good cheers bud, been working with a spark from Divizes. Did a kitchen rewire tuesday last week, then 2 bed bungalow rewire on wed, thur and fri. all been good. How about you?

 

[Dave]

Anymore stupid racist type remarks in the forums and your account will closed..NO excuses just don't do it.

Any probs with this then pm ME.....

 

[Lou7]

Thanks Dave.
Hold me 'ands up sorry