Kitchen refit - sockets moved from wall to units?

[FatAlan]

32amp rfc supplying two gang sockets in wall behind kitchen units. At present horrible holes have been cut in the back of the units to get access to the sockets for appliances. New units going in. Whats the best way of extending to a pattress in the back of the unit? In essence Im looking for and unfused connection unit that will fit to a double back box.

 

[FatAlan]

Common sense Tel. Hoping the box is deep enough to take a MF box although saying that, if the MF box is secured correctly, why bother with a blanking plate?

 

[Intoelectrics]

wagos in a standard back box with blanking plate be fine. . maintenance free by definition or just plain common sense.

My point, the manufacturers are just covering their a***s in case of liability.

If you want to do it totally by the manufacturer's recommendations then chop out the back boxes make the holes bigger and fix back the wago's enclosure. (complete waste of time and effort in my opinion)
[automerge]1568636736[/automerge]
If this is going to turn into a debate on definitions then I retract my original suggestion of "maintenance free" and re-place it with "requires minimal maintenance".

 

[FatAlan]

Thanks for the responses folks. Just makes you wonder how many non MF sockets and connection units are hidden and inaccessible behind fitted kitchen units

 

[Dustydazzler]

Thanks for the responses folks. Just makes you wonder how many non MF sockets and connection units are hidden and inaccessible behind fitted kitchen units

Thousands and possibly millions...

Rip out a kitchen that was fitted in the 1980s or 1990s and I would bet my bottom dollar you will find at least one totally hidden jointed cable

 

[Midwest]

@FatAlan Are the sockets to be used?

 

[FatAlan]

No. Just need to jump across the service gap at the rear of unit and feed a new surface mounted double socket.

 

[telectrix]

@FatAlan Are the sockets to be used?

i should hope he fits new ones.

 

[Dustydazzler]

i should hope he fits new ones.

Nah

Just clean up the old ones with some turps

 

[Pete999]

32amp rfc supplying two gang sockets in wall behind kitchen units. At present horrible holes have been cut in the back of the units to get access to the sockets for appliances. New units going in. Whats the best way of extending to a pattress in the back of the unit? In essence Im looking for and unfused connection unit that will fit to a double back box.

Might have to fit a double accessory box and fit fcu and a single socket

 

[Midwest]

No. Just need to jump across the service gap at the rear of unit and feed a new surface mounted double socket.

Arrgh. I was going to suggest an access panel for maintenance purposes.

When I did kitchen refurbs and socket outlet point (now behind new floor unit) was required to be reused, I'd rewire it, priced accordingly. Its going to be a bit of a bodge (IMO), trying 'jump across the service gap'.

 

[littlespark]

In my experience, you sometimes wonder how an expert joiner, who spends days fitting a kitchen, perfect mitre on the worktop, but cant cut a simple square hole to access a socket behind a unit. Last one I worked on, the joiners left a hole.... I cant say if its a square with curved sides or a circle with corners.

Same job. Microwave in wall unit with socket in unit above. I'd left the socket on a deep pattress... all the joiner had to do was cut a square hole so the socket would protrude through into the unit.... Nope.... 2 inches off measurement. I had to come back and move the socket to suit HIS hole.

 

[telectrix]

In my experience, you sometimes wonder how an expert joiner, who spends days fitting a kitchen, perfect mitre on the worktop, but cant cut a simple square hole to access a socket behind a unit. Last one I worked on, the joiners left a hole.... I cant say if its a square with curved sides or a circle with corners.

Same job. Microwave in wall unit with socket in unit above. I'd left the socket on a deep pattress... all the joiner had to do was cut a square hole so the socket would protrude through into the unit.... Nope.... 2 inches off measurement. I had to come back and move the socket to suit HIS hole.

i'd have altered his hole ( and i don't mean the hole in the kitchen unit). once had similar. builder/joiner cut hole on board for a double socket, even after i told him that i'd do it. when i fitted the socket, it was 3 inches lower than the other one 4ft. away. customer wanted me to pay to reboard that section of wall. i said how does pi$$ off sound. get the builder back.

 

[tony clark]

i would fit wagos or pushfit inline connectors with a blanking plate if your worried about stress on the cable i would fit a stuffing gland to the face plate you should have enough room to accommodate the stuffing gland in the service gap

 

[telectrix]

yeah. pointless fitting an enclosure within another enclosure.

 

[FatAlan]

I have seen a twin blanking plate drilled out and connector blocks used to make a ‘make shift’ connection plate

Funnily enough having purchased a couple of MK blanking plates, it can be seen that they incorporate two knock/drill out areas suitable to take a cable out.