Landlord - Electrical Safety Certificate

[Risteard]

As we all know a fuseboard would require a full certificate of tested circuits.

That's actually a matter of debate. An EIC issued for the replacement of a DB is simply certifying the DB installation as compliant with BS7671 as this is the scope of work. However, there is a need to ascertain that the safety of this is not impaired by the existing installation and will not impair the safety of the existing installation. So it's necessary to ensure that the protective devices (assuming of a different type) will operate in the required time and that the connections you have made in the DB are satisfactory. So some would argue that this can be met by verifying cpc continuity to the first point on the circuit as opposed to the last. It's actually a bit of a grey area as you are not in any way certifying the existing installation (although you should make any necessary comments on it in the appropriate section of the EIC).

 

[Octopus]

This is HSE territory regardless of letting portfolio. I would go on to explain further. "Regs" my error, building control being the collective word.

Precisely ............. so nothing to do with sparking!

 

[Octopus]

An EICR is like an MOT for your vehicle ................. only tells a story the day its done.

 

[b-spark]

What's that got to do with my post?? The guy wanted reassurance that he's safe. The whole point is that someone has taken ownership of the work. Again mitigating the risk of responsibility. Your right its an mot, but if that installation kills somebody. Then the contractor is found not to have a paper trail of procedure. Then who's fault is it? Not the landlord. The electrician. A house blew up a few months ago in manchester with a gas fault. HSE went for the gas fitter. Sole trader or not.

 

[Risteard]

The whole point is that someone has taken ownership of the work.

What work do you believe they have taken ownership of?

 

[davesparks]

Your right its an mot, but if that installation kills somebody. Then the contractor is found not to have a paper trail of procedure. Then who's fault is it? Not the landlord. The electrician. .

The electrician and the landlord could both be found guilty.

 

[b-spark]

The electrician and the landlord could both be found guilty.

Your right,
Only if they are in cahoots or limitations have been set by the landlord. If the landlord has employed a registered contractor received original paperwork, its the electrician who's to blame. Ask your inspector when he comes. Im not into this one up game, I'm providing my experience, my agents wont even allow me to let unless I have the latter

 

[davesparks]

Your right,
Only if they are in cahoots or limitations have been set by the landlord. If the landlord has employed a registered contractor received original paperwork, its the electrician who's to blame. Ask your inspector when he comes. Im not into this one up game, I'm providing my experience, my agents wont even allow me to let unless I have the latter

Inspector of what? The only inspector I ever see is the one who does our explosives storage licence.

 

[b-spark]

Inspector of what? The only inspector I ever see is the one who does our explosives storage licence.[/QUOTE
Well then you have no knowledge to even comment on this thread.
This is sounding very my dicks bigger than yours. And moving off the subject.

 

[davesparks]

It was a simple enough question, who is this inspector you are referring to?

 

[b-spark]

Your governing body inspector for approved contractor status or domestic installation. Relative to the thread. Niceic ECA Napit

 

[Noaksie]

Landlord certificate.... Crap what is required is an EICR this is a full inspection of the installation. "You need a new consumer unit" Heard that one too lots of times
You may well do but the Inspection recommendation codes on the EICR will tell the full story.
If a new cu is fitted then a EIC must be provided.
Make sure you use a fully qualified electrician. Not all the best tradesmen are NAPIT/NICEIC
Some of the worst quality work I have witnessed has been certified by their members.

 

[Octopus]

Your governing body inspector for approved contractor status or domestic installation. Relative to the thread. Niceic ECA Napit

Ha ha, that's almost funny.

The schemes do nothing once they have your money ....... Unless you use their logo and are not a member.

The closest the schemes get to inspecting anything, is the site YOU choose for your annual assessment ......

 

[b-spark]

So I take it nobody is a member?? I'm a industrial electrician and we carry the scheme, half the inductions I do request it, wouldn't get the work otherwise. All FM companies ask for our scheme before we get on the books. Anyway this is way beyond the subject matter.

 

[JK-Electrical]

I'm not sure how the law works down south, but up here in Scotland, an EIC can be used in lieu of an EICR to prove that the installation complies with the guidance relating to private lets. I quote from Electrical Safety Laws For Private Rental Properties In Scotland, as published by the Scottish Government:

You may have a copy of an Electrical Installation Certificate rather than an EICR if:

- Your property is a new build
- The property has been fully rewired.

If you have an Electrical Installation Certificate, you can provide this to demonstrate that your property complies with the new guidance, provided that the date of the next inspection indicated on the certificate has not elapsed.

However, there is no mention of an EIC issued after a consumer changeover being acceptable! Do the same conditions apply in England and Wales?