last nights 2395 online

[shortcourse]

Just a quick report about last nights 2395 multchoice exam
It seemed more like a regs exam without the book. Lots of questions about RCD testing, times etc.
I have never flagged so many questions on an onlime exam before.
Harder than I expected.
I did OK got 90% overall.
Another lad got 62% and failed

Will post more info after next weeks lesson when everybody discusses their reaction. my mind is completely blank, convinced I was going to fail and would have to revise for a resit.

 

[UNG]

Personally I don't think the 2391 has been downgraded it has just been split into 2 to make it easier to digest, the questions are still the same the answers are still the same there is a written, practical & multi choice exam as stated each module needs a pass to complete, although I think it's a money spinner from the city&guilds they in essence are trying to get people on the right track by actually teaching at an easier pace rather than cram every part of inspection testing and verification into a short course and rightly so with the highest pass mark ever archived for the 2391 is around 52%, mainly due to having to much to learn in a short period of time .

I have to disagree that splitting a course into two "to make it easier to digest" is an improvement my thinking is change the course number and make it easier to pass.

Having done the 2391 in 2006 I felt the course was designed for electricians who had done one of the 236, 2330 etc courses and had reasonable experience of inspection and testing in the field in a working environment and was designed to hone existing skills rather than teaching from scratch. I can understand that someone with little or no experience would feel that a lot is crammed in and it creates a steep learning curve but with no underpinning knowledge IMO should not be doing the course. I'm just waiting for the how to use test equipment and understand the readings course

The City & Guilds seem driven by improving and increasing the pass rates by changing the course number and content without looking at the reason behind the falling pass rates of the courses they supersede

In a world driven by statistics it would be interesting to see a breakdown of what the age / industry experience is of the candidates taking these courses and exams and how this reflects in the pass / fail rate of all the courses past and present.

From what I can see of the current training it seems to be moving away from core training and additional courses to hone the skills taught in the core training to a fragmented and disjointed system where the additional courses are becoming the core training without any foundation to build them on

 

[telectrix]

never mind, ung, there's still the ultimate challenge, the pie eating competition.

 

[shortcourse]

Thanks for the comments

So far we have had an exam based on a set of photographs showing a series of faults which we had to identify and give correct classification C1, C2 C3.
These are not that clear especially if you forget your glasses, and they don't tell you till you turn up for a lesson and get a actual test. most guys were very worried.

We have the written exam in 2 weeks and the practical in 4 weeks.


Because there are no past papers, the practice papers created by the college based on the sylabus were only 20% accurate.

The lecturers were busy looking over everyones shoulders trying to memorise the questions as they are working in the dark.

We have been told that the multichoice is common to both 2394/2395 if you pass one you don't have to resit for the other
Our college feels that the 2395 is the best to run as anyone who can fill in a EICR can easily do the other.


As I said before, once we have had the inquest I will try and give some more info for everyone.

 

[brman]

I've said it before but I reckon the written 2395 exam I did was noticably harder than all the 2391 past papers I did. I also heard that 2395 pass rates are just as bad as they were with 2391 so I just don't get the comments that 2395 is somehow easier.
I just think some people here see any change as a bad thing :lol:

anyway, congrats to the OP

 

[Rampage]

I've said it before but I reckon the written 2395 exam I did was noticably harder than all the 2391 past papers I did. I also heard that 2395 pass rates are just as bad as they were with 2391 so I just don't get the comments that 2395 is somehow easier.
I just think some people here see any change as a bad thing :lol:

anyway, congrats to the OP

I think they mean that you don't have to revise as much as not all of the 2391 is in the 2395.

 

[brman]

I think they mean that you don't have to revise as much as not all of the 2391 is in the 2395.

but is even that true? If you know all the tests etc for a periodical then you don't actually have to learn much more to do initial verification?

 

[UNG]

I've said it before but I reckon the written 2395 exam I did was noticably harder than all the 2391 past papers I did. I also heard that 2395 pass rates are just as bad as they were with 2391 so I just don't get the comments that 2395 is somehow easier.
I just think some people here see any change as a bad thing :lol:

anyway, congrats to the OP

I don't see change as a bad thing if there is an improvement to what it supersedes, I'm a firm believer that if it ain't broke don't fix it so it is

 

[Rampage]

but is even that true? If you know all the tests etc for a periodical then you don't actually have to learn much more to do initial verification?

Im not saying I agree. I was just mentioning what I thought other people were on about.

 

[brman]

Im not saying I agree. I was just mentioning what I thought other people were on about.

sorry, yes I understood that. Just wanted to counter the arguement as I have heard it before

maybe I am being a bit too defensive of 2395 but I do find it a shame when it gets put down for reasons I don't understand.

 

[Rampage]

sorry, yes I understood that. Just wanted to counter the arguement as I have heard it before maybe I am being a bit too defensive of 2395 but I do find it a shame when it gets put down for reasons I don't understand.

For me it would have been easier (but more expensive) as the shorter exam writing times would have been a lot better for the carpel tunnel I have in both hands!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Some might say its better.

2394/5 still has closed book written exam as well as other modules including the online section. Each section needs a pass.

Now 2394 is initial verification and 2395 is condition report/periodic making the 2395 more pure.

With 2391 the average marks could be raised with initial verification knowledge. Now you need to know all about condition reports/periodic.

C&G2392 was aimed squarely at initial verification....2391 was PIRs (as it was when i did it)....a 3 phase board with a single phase sub board on it....
but it was more for PIRs/EICRs really.....hence the IR rig...that they put simulated faults on ...and the `visuals` rig....with the 12 non-conformances on it......