Latest on the court challenge!!!

[dansk]

If nothing else its stirred the hornets nest up and got people moving again - ive taken bookings today @21p - so im pleased.

 

[TallPaul]

Anyone want to know the experience of a punter? (me!)

I wanted to get a PV system last years, but in November it was all a bit mad with panel shortages and the uneasy feeling that the people who were available were probably not the best installers, as the best ones were already booked in advance.

Tried this year (assuming 21p) to get a series of quotes, but of course its all gone mad again, so am I doing well if I buy now as there is chance I get 43p (I read ruling as December 12th - March 3rd 43p at the moment, supreme court overrule then its 21p all round) or am I going to pay over the odds for panels as the distributors are going mad and trying to make some money.

More or less tempted to say sod this and wait for April when the madness subsides and I know its 21p, the problem is with roof space for ~4KW system - projection over 25 years is massive difference for 21p to 43p. If I could be sure I was not getting done on the panel price, and able to get a well experienced and stable installer I would just order now as normal.

One thing I can say with 100% certainty as a punter, none of this helps anyone in the industry I expect or the consumers. The only people winning is the government budget that was badly planned and administered.

 

[synergy power]

I know this is going to sound stupid but surely selling at 21p is also misselling as the tariff is actually 43p.... So much uncertainty its ridiculous. I feel like i'm being bullied by Chris Huhne and Greg Barker

 

[powervan]

SHAMBLES SHAMBLES SHAMBLES!!!!! all kit gone already!!! absoloute ******** !! im not even getting involved now dont need that stress again plus suppliers just getting rid of kit they wernt gonna flog anytime soon!!! just means we now have to wait till april for it all to settle and get the bits missing from the last debarcle!!!

 

[GaryM]

I handed over a deposit last night for a 4kW system to be installed next Thursday. I'd like to bet the same deal would be £2K more today!
I gambled on the government losing and the tariff reverting back to 43.3p though still accept that an investment at 21p is better than anything else on the market at the moment.

 

[Somecamel]

More or less tempted to say sod this and wait for April when the madness subsides and I know its 21p, the problem is with roof space for ~4KW system - projection over 25 years is massive difference for 21p to 43p. If I could be sure I was not getting done on the panel price, and able to get a well experienced and stable installer I would just order now as normal.

We don't know what the Tariff rate will be Post April 2012

 

[moggy1968]

I think best advice to customers is get it done before April when everyhting could change again. assume a 21p return, anything else is a bonus.

 

[moggy1968]

I know this is going to sound stupid but surely selling at 21p is also misselling as the tariff is actually 43p.... So much uncertainty its ridiculous. I feel like i'm being bullied by Chris Huhne and Greg Barker

rather unlikely someone is going to sue your --- off 'cos they got too much money though!!
And yes, the Government is trying to bully us. I think they are now only fighting this to try and save face, It's definately personal now. And lets not forget how they tried to force us to accept their illegal behaviour by threatening to close the scheme altogether. Unbeleievable.

 

[powervan]

just makes me laugh that say PVKITS DIRECT send out email GOLDRUSH and all existing stock has GONE!! who is worse government? installers ? suppliers? when is the appeal? if you fit at 43.3 and they win can/WILL (real) take people to court?? so many questions

 

[Gavin A]

If I'm reading this right, then if the supreme court doesn't make a judgement for months, does this mean we'll still not be certain of the rate even from 3rd March, or even 1st April?

This looks like being a very hollow victory for those who've taken the court action on behalf of the industry but without asking for for or receiving anyone elses backing on it, and I reckon the delays and uncertainty this has caused will have led to at least as many job losses and bankruptcies as the actual reduction to 21p from 12th Dec would have done by itself if left to stand. Maybe a bit unfair to lay this at the door of those taking the court action rather than the government, but this response was entirely predictable, and I reckon the likes of BPVA had it right with their strategy of trying to keep the government on side and working with them to try to get a better framework in place instead of going head to head with them in court.

Just my two pence worth.

 

[moggy1968]

no, the changes from April have been made by legal means. It will only affect installations between 12.12.11. and 02.03.12
I presume then that your happy just to bend over and take it like a man!
Personally I don't think politicians should be allowed to break the law and get away with it.
I'm not, why should they be.

 

[SRE]

Am I missing something???

We're still @ 21p until the Supreme Court hears the appeal - that won't be until well after the 3/3 when everything drops to 21p. So where's the goldrush? Only for idiots imho ;-) I'm ignoring it. I think I can make 21p work - just - and that's what I'm selling until 1st April.

 

[SRE]

For what it's worth I think the appeal was right - I need to be able to tell my customers they will get the 21p for 25 years and this at least will make the govt think again about changing that. 43p's a lost cause now I think, a nice bonus if it comes through but it doesn't even come into the equation anymore for me.

 

[JulianC]

I think some of the panic buying news might be scaremongering from suppliers trying to get us to start panic buying. After all, they can't have been shifting much stock lately. Spoke to my main supplier today, one of the bigger players, and they told me they'd seen some upturn but nothing to write home about.

 

[Gavin A]

Am I missing something???

We're still @ 21p until the Supreme Court hears the appeal - that won't be until well after the 3/3 when everything drops to 21p. So where's the goldrush? Only for idiots imho ;-) I'm ignoring it. I think I can make 21p work - just - and that's what I'm selling until 1st April.

I don't know about a gold rush, but if the equipment we need to do the installs we've contracted for at 21p is being snapped up, then we also have to get the confirmations in and buy the equipment up. No panels, no installation whatever the FIT rate, although it's only really certain panels there are major problems with - eg Sanyo H 250's via segen at least.

I think it's calmed down a bit now though.