LED floodlight (with PIR) required override facility

[Skimpy Wan]

Hi,

I've got a customer who has a LED floodlight, with PIR, who requires an override facility, rather than being on the normal 90 second time delay.

As the fitting is wired in the manufacturers 3 core flex, how can this be overridden?

It has been wired in 3-core & earth but, obviously, only the Line, Neutral & Earth are currently being used (so a spare core). I was wanting to use a 3-way rocker switch, but still not sure how to get the switch wire direct to the LED fitting and bypass the PIR.

 

[Sparkie30]

No pictures or description so how would we even give you an answer.

Hire someone who's competent?? Just a suggestion.

do you really need to see a picture ? I think YOU need to shadow a honnest sparky, keyboard warrior.

 

[Skimpy Wan]

Thank you Dave & Tel ...

That is what I thought, but I wasn't sure if anyone knew of a way of overiding it without playing with the PCB etc.

I'll advice the customer the fitting needs changing to facilitate her request.

 

[Skimpy Wan]

I've never had a fitting I haven't managed to do override on, hence why I posted the question.

For any future issued be aware that LEDHUT fittings don't allow for this (on old or new slimline fittings).

Thanks for the mature / professional responses I received!

 

[davesparks]

you need to open the fitting terminal box. find out the switched L from the PIR, and connect your override core there.

It's an LED light so probably doesn't have a 240V switched live coming out of the PIR, it's more likely that the LED is controlled electronically by the ELV signal from the PIR unit. That way it saves the manufacturer the expense of putting in the relay which would normally be fitted to give the 240V switching ability

 

[davesparks]

Thank you Dave & Tel ...

That is what I thought, but I wasn't sure if anyone knew of a way of overiding it without playing with the PCB etc.

I'll advice the customer the fitting needs changing to facilitate her request.

Playing with the PCB is not advisable, aside from completely voiding the warranty you could also write the fitting off very easily.

 

[Skimpy Wan]

Every LED floodlight with integrated PIR I have ever fitted has had an over ride facility. I have never used LEDhut's PIR models though.

What fittings do you use Andy?

 

[sparkstu]

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_I...dex/Security_Lighting_Index/STXLED/index.html
replace fitting with a override function

 

[Skimpy Wan]

Playing with the PCB is not advisable, aside from completely voiding the warranty you could also write the fitting off very easily.

That was my concern ...

Prefer the customer to know up front and get it 100% working than play around and then **** the unit totally! Lol

Thanks, again, for constructive advice received!

 

[Andy78]

What fittings do you use Andy?

Anything but LEDHut
Honestly.... whatever the wholesaler has on the counter at the time. Currently it's BG Luceco, but I have also used Crompton and Timeguard and additionally quite a few other small name brands that were instantly forgettable.

 

[Skimpy Wan]

Just in case Joe can enlighten us further with his experience and expertise here is a picture of the said fitting and (black) flex that she has had previously installed ...

 

[benji]

(has been wired in 3-core & earth but, obviously, only the Line, Neutral & Earth are currently being used (so a spare core). )

where does the spare core go ?

 

[Skimpy Wan]

Spare core in connector in FCU & end box - so not being used at either end.

 

[Skimpy Wan]

I guess it was wired in 3-core & earth in case it was needed in the fitting used.

 

[joehat]

6243Y from the FCU to the PIR.

PIR has a 3-core (L, N & E) flex to fitting.

PCB (sorry auto correct stated PC) switched the fitting from PIR.

Customer wants an override switch to enable them to have the light on for longer than 90 seconds when they need to load / unload the car.

In the normal setting (PIR controlled) the time delay is set for 90 seconds.

The 1-2 seconds on / off switching doesn't work on LED integrated fitting (as per manufactures) so I wanted some advice from others that have managed to rectify with with the use of a 3-way rocker switch (Top = PIR, only; Middle = OFF; Bottom = Manual overide).

Maybe I should speak to some competent individual's who are prepared to assist me Jo?!

Well you ain't are you!!

 

[Kamikaze]

I’ve just been out to the shed and got a LED flood light out to have a look. All you need to do is replace the flex for a 4 core and connect the switch wire onto the return from the PIR. In my case there are connectors but the wires might be soldered onto the circuit board on yours. But the same principle applies.