NAPIT Certification Scheme Life after napit part 2

[brucelee]

sorry for delay I am in lancashire (wigan council ,west lancs council,chorley council) All I do is download IEE certs fill them in and BC accepts them ,it's the way forward no more fees !

So you dont pay a fee to LABC do you just notify them beforehand did you have to send them a copy of your qualifications

Think I will be contacting them again if thats the case as when I last asked it was £190 a job

 

[multimick]

just done an ext, 2 new circuits on rcd of course,guy already had a building insp involved (wigan council) . I finished 2nd fix last week and gave the guy a downloaded form from iee ,he gave it to the BC and all is fine .But let's suppose all was not allright ,what would happen is BC would ask for a scam headed form I would say i'm not in a scam and they would have to accept an EICR from me (no scam needed for those ),but not happened yet .

 

[telectrix]

different with any new build or extension work if BC are already involved as they have already had a fee and raised a building notice.

 

[multimick]

So basically( domestic speaking) work is either new build, extensions ,or lets say a kitchen or bathroom ,the first 2 are taken care off as you say which leaves the third ,how many homeowners get BC involved when they are refurbing their kitchen ? If they do they have a cert .

 

[telectrix]

BC should never have been involved in purely electrical work. it's the nonsense that's called part p. no other trade has to jump through the hoops, spend oodles on scam membership, and kow-tow down to muppets just to be able to work. arrgh. i can't go on under threat of a ban.

 

[Archie]

I too left NAPIT a while ago, very disillusioned with them.
I've done a few domestic jobs and when asked for a 'Part P' cert I give them the Minor Works / Electrical Installation certificate. They accept it without question.
MY work is always done to the book and I always test and produce certification. There is not a court in the land who'll prosecute anyone for doing a job correctly.

 

[Badged01]

.....I've done a few domestic jobs and when asked for a 'Part P' cert I give them the Minor Works / Electrical Installation certificate. They accept it without question....

But do you advise them that you're not notifying any notifiable jobs to LABC and that its their responsibility to do so or potentially be prosecuted?

 

[davesparks]

Prosecuted by who for what crime?

 

[stevethesparks]

Recalling from past info, I was under the impression that if you belong to a scheme then it is your responsibility to inform Building Control. If you are not part of a scheme then it is the householders or persons ordering the works responsibility to inform Building Control.
Happy to be corrected.

 

[Badged01]

Prosecuted by who for what crime?

Unless I've got it terribly wrong, failing to reported a notifiable job under the building regs becomes a criminal offence and the householder is responsible for reporting said notifiable job. LABC are the ones who can supposedly start instigating any action .....

....If you are not part of a scheme then it is the householders or persons ordering the works responsibility to inform Building Control.

Correct but if you complete the work knowing you aren't going to report said work and it should be reported, have you informed the householder they need to do it under the regulations. No legal obligation for you to do so, ignorance of the law is no excuse on the householders part, but knowing it should be reported I would suggest there is a moral obligation on the electrician to just confirm with the householder they know they should be reporting it? If they dont want to thats their call ......

 

[davesparks]

Unless I've got it terribly wrong, failing to reported a notifiable job under the building regs becomes a criminal offence and the householder is responsible for reporting said notifiable job. LABC are the ones who can supposedly start instigating
......

Can you cite any precedent where a successful prosecution has been brought against anyone for carrying out, or employing someone to carry out, electrical installation work in compliance with BS7671 and industry best practice?

 

[Badged01]

Can you cite any precedent where a successful prosecution has been brought against anyone for carrying out, or employing someone to carry out, electrical installation work in compliance with BS7671 and industry best practice?

I'm sure if you carry-out work IAW BS7671 you will be almost bomb-proof for any prosecution against your workmanship. However, not reporting that work where it should be reported under the building regs is a different kettle of fish. That said I dont know of anyone who has been prosecuted under the building regs for not notifying work or even heard of anyone being prosecuted ........

 

[stevethesparks]

Correct but if you complete the work knowing you aren't going to report said work and it should be reported, have you informed the householder they need to do it under the regulations. No legal obligation for you to do so, ignorance of the law is no excuse on the householders part, but knowing it should be reported I would suggest there is a moral obligation on the electrician to just confirm with the householder they know they should be reporting it? If they dont want to thats their call ......

Agreed - put the ball in their court, include a small section on the quotation and that should be the Electrician covered.

 

[Plonker 3]

All the usual speil about you should tell the home owner if you are aware of in needing to be notified. What a load of baloney, do you tell people who are speeding that they are also breaking the law and could be prosecuted?

 

[Badged01]

Only if they've asked me to do the speeding for them ......