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lets get all the sparks on this board to unite and join all of our brothers at LOR and shut all the construction jobs down for monday,and stay out until this situation is resolved and show these unscrupulous employers we are NOT to be messed about with,all we want is to be able to earn a few coppers to feed our families and were been denied this opportunity.
 
i am on job which walked 2day. 1100 hundred of us did. ian.settle that is how they want us to feel that we cant walk out, which in a way is true because i too cant afford to be not working but is it right the way they are treating us workers? Some serious action needs to be taken for our point to be made which is a disgrace when it costs only one person money - US! I am 26 years old and for me the future looks very bleak.
 
Spend a lot of time in North East Lincolnshire and was recently working on the particular HDS3 project that has gone out on Strike.
The original reasons for the dispute are the employing of workers who are not being paid the proper rate for doing the job.
It is immaterial really where they come from.
Total, who own the Refinery ,decided to use an American Company who used Italian Labour using an Italian Company called IREM.

This company are frowned upon in Italy and are reknowned for using CHEAP NON UNION labour in their own country.
The job that they are being employed upon at Lindsey oil is what is known as a BLUE BOOK SITE maybe better known as a NAECI Site.
Working on these sites the rates are set out in advance to enable the Employers to provide accurate costings when ordering and Purchasing.
Total, although originally acknowledging and Quoting the NAECI Rule Books and employing people under this, then allowed the American company to source their labour via IREM who did not pay their employees the required rate of pay.

This caused the original disputes which occurred January/February time.

The Lads reached agreement with Total and Irem were it was agreed the unions would be used to recruit labour and that IREM labour would be stricktly monitored to make sure that they paid their employees the correct wages etc.



To put it into perspective, when working on a Blue Book Site, even Agencies tend not to be used so there is no differentials in payments which could cause disputes . All Trades are generally upon the same rate of pay which is set out sometimes 3 years in advance by NAECI.

Total have clearly deliberately broken this NAECI Agreement and it is becoming more prevalent in Europe nowadays. It appears to be a deliberate attempt by European Governments and Big Business to drive down Wage rates across the Globe.
The Government and the Media here are deliberately trying to focus on and tell the British people that it is a dispute against foreign labour.
BELIEVE me it is not.....we want the Italians to be employed under the same rates of pay and conditions as we are..........We are made to abide by the NAECI agreement and the EMPLOYERS always quote it to us, so they should be paying the Italians accordingly.
This is not just happening at Total or just the construction Industry or even just the UK.
For example........the government chose to house immigrants in the area that the Olympics are being built.....The reason being it was agreed to use local labour...........they are now, I would suggest immoraly if not Illegally being classed as local labour. Go to the area and generally the only Brits appear to be Supervision.

Tesco...probably where you are doing your shopping.....founded by a man of Jewish polish decent employ Polish people nationwide, again not a problem till you realise that they are employed via an overseas agency and are paid ÂŁ2 or more below the legal minimum wage in this country. Tesco also provide accommodation here for them , for which a charge for rent is made and is taken from their wages thus making them totally reliant upon Tesco.
My own favourite football team Everton the so called peoples club, in a cost cutting exercise, sacked a lot of security men they employed, some having 10 or more years at the club. They were replaced by Maltese pesonal, sourced via an overseas agency and paid below the minimum wage.
When will this stop.
We have no objection to them being here at all, but they must be here on the same rates of pay and conditions

This Article below was written on 11th Feb after the original dipute when the men went back to work



Lindsey oil refinery strike

Workers score important victory

Socialist Party industrial organiser Bill Mullins writes on the deal done between the Lindsey oil refinery strike committee and the Total oil company, the refinery owners.


This deal has set the benchmark for dozens of other sites throughout Britain and in fact throughout Europe. This heroic struggle by 1,000-plus construction engineers in the refinery, supported by walk-outs at 20-plus other sites, has resulted in a victory for the workers. They are on different contracts throughout the site in north Lincolnshire.
It was a victory against the bosses of Total, the French oil company that owns the site. But also against the whole neoliberal regime that operates across the EU. In the process, it exposed the anti-union laws as irrelevant when a mass of workers move into struggle.
The workers have been guaranteed 102 of the 198 jobs that are available in the part of the contract for building a new chemical facility, HDS3.
As Keith Gibson in his article in last week's The Socialist explained, the original contractor, Shaw, had been told that they had lost part of the work to an Italian company, IREM, who would bring in their own workforce from Italy and elsewhere to do the job.
As a result, Shaw had told the shop stewards on the site that some of their members would be made redundant from 17 February to make way for the Italian workers.
What was crucial in this was not the fact that they were Italian or Portuguese but that they would not be part of the National Agreement for the Engineering and Construction Industry (NAECI).
Why? Because under the EU directives, backed up by the European Court of Human Rights, employing those workers under NAECI conditions would be seen as a "restraint on trade" and therefore against the freedom of movement of labour and capital enshrined in the EU capitalist club's rules and regulations.


Bosses' charter

It does not take a rocket scientist to work out that this is a bosses' charter and nothing else. The bosses like nothing better than to have full freedom to do what they like without the trade unions interfering. In this case the British trade unions but it goes for any European trade union as well.
The press gave prominence to the slogan used by some workers of: "British jobs for British workers", held up on posters by some of the strikers at the mass meetings. They failed to see, and how could you expect the rabid capitalist press to do anything else, that the strikers' case was simple. They were being excluded from jobs on the site by the sleight of hand of the bosses under the cover of "the right of labour and capital to be shifted without restriction to any part of the EU."
"No workers' movement is 'chemically pure'. Elements of confusion, and even some reactionary ideas, can exist, and have done in these strikes. However, fundamentally this struggle is aimed against the 'race to the bottom', at maintaining trade union-organised conditions and wages on these huge building sites."
The existing one-sided EU laws and directives give the bosses complete carte blanche to bring in workers to work on less pay and worse conditions in the "host country" as long as the minimum conditions of their home country are applied.
They do not have to be in a union. It was clear that the IREM workers were not in a union, Italian or otherwise. Italian union confederation CGIL leader Sabrina Petrucci was quoted in the Morning Star on 6 February saying that IREM is a notorious non-union firm.
But the struggle was more even than this. It was a struggle for control of the workplace by the workers themselves. If the Total managers, as owners of the site, and the Italian contractors IREM, could have had their way, they would have driven a huge wedge into the elements of workers' control that had been wrested from the management.
In a major breakthrough, part of the deal allows for the shop stewards to check that the jobs filled by the Italian and Portuguese workers are on the same conditions as the local workers covered by the NAECI agreement. The Lindsey oil refinery is what is known as a 'blue book' site and all workers on it should be covered by the NAECI agreement.

This means in practice that the union-organised workers will be working alongside the IREM-employed Italian workers and will be able to "audit" whether or not this is the case.
This was a fundamental demand of the strikers when they adopted a central list of demands at the mass meetings: "All workers in UK to be covered by NAECI Agreement and all immigrant labour to be unionised".
As an extra safeguard to maintaining trade union organisation in the sites, the strikers also accepted a demand put forward by the strike committee of the need for "Union-controlled registering of unemployed and local skilled union members".
This is exactly what the capitalists do not want and from their point of view it is indeed a "restraint on trade", ie their right to exploit their workforce without the union having any say.
 
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Liaison meetings

Built into the deal is that the shop stewards on the site will be able to keep the Italian company in check by regular liaison meetings.
In the 1970s, some of the best organised workplaces were in effect closed shops, either pre-entry or post-entry - you had to be a union member before applying for a job, or you had to join a union as soon as you started work.
What the Lindsey strikers were demanding quite correctly is a form of pre-entry closed shop. That means that if the contractors on site need more labour then they have to go to the union for this labour from its unemployed register. In other words you have to be in the union to be on the register.
The alternative to trade union control over 'hire and fire' is the bosses having that right to hire and fire instead - and who will they give jobs to? Not the trade union activists. As is too often the case, a bosses' black-list is widely used in the construction industry. The fight for this demand to be put into practice will be part of the ongoing struggle between the workers and the bosses. This is a struggle over who controls the workplace and, therefore, in whose interests the workplace is run.
To their shame, some on the left were completely taken in by the headlines in the capitalist press which highlighted the "British jobs for British workers" element of this struggle. What they did not realise, or refused to face up to, was that the whole previous period has led to this battle. If this had developed a year ago then it is likely that it would not have happened as it did. What was new in the equation was the rapid onset of mass unemployment, threatening every worker in Britain and across much of the globe.
The economic crisis has created a fear amongst workers, not just for their jobs today but on what jobs there will be for their children in the future.
In the previous period it was possible for these workers to get jobs on other sites, though a feature of the sites was the blacklisting of union activists, which has led to localised battles.
The whole workforce of some 25,000, who specialise in the skilled construction engineering required on major projects, such as oil refineries and power stations, were becoming increasingly aware that things were changing. In fact, some 1,500 at least were unemployed.
Recently, the trade unions were preparing, through shop stewards organising on a national level, to take on the bosses. But the whole thing was precipitated suddenly, as Keith Gibson explained in last week's Socialist, when Total gave a contract to IREM before Christmas. Or rather, they gave it to an American company, which, in turn, sub-contracted out to IREM.
The timing of this was not an accident. The Total bosses were using the downturn in the economy to give the work to a contractor who did not have to bother with trade unions, as most of the British contractors on these major building projects had been forced to do.
The capitalist politicians, like Labour business minister Pat McFadden, bleated that the principle of free movement has been breached by the deal. He meant 'freedom' for the bosses to move labour about the continent, hiding under the EU laws backed up by the courts. This is against the interests of the workers everywhere and undermines trade union organisation.
This 'freedom' has indeed been breached by the strike, which has in the process struck a blow against the 'race to the bottom' which is undermining wages and conditions.
What is needed now is much more coordination amongst all the European unions. In particular, coordination of the shop stewards' organisations at site level but also at national and an all-European level.
This should come together in a massive campaign to spread the victory of the Lindsey oil refinery workers across the whole of Britain and the EU.
What next after the Lindsey victory?

This is the text of a Socialist Party leaflet given out on 9 February, at a national meeting of shop stewards involved in the engineering construction industry.
Socialist Party supporters think that the best way to consolidate and extend the Lindsey Oil Refinery agreement on a national industry-wide basis, is for the national shop stewards to adopt the following policy:
Organise a march on Parliament on a weekday in the next month around a clear set of demands.
Call a one day industry-wide national strike on the same day as the march, of all workers covered by NAECI, including repair and maintenance, with emergency cover organised by trade unions.
Publicise the following demands as widely as possible amongst our members, European unions and the media, to counter the deliberate mis-reporting of the last strikes as anti-foreigner:
  • No victimisation of workers taking solidarity action.
  • All construction engineering workers in UK to be covered by the NAECI agreement.
  • Union controlled registering of unemployed and local skilled union members, with nominating rights as work becomes available.
  • Government and employer investment in proper training/apprenticeships for the new generation of construction workers.
  • All immigrant labour to be unionised.
  • Union help for immigrant workers - including interpreters and union advice - to promote active integrated union members.
  • Build closer direct links with construction unions in Europe.
  • The government must change or withdraw from those EU directives and court rulings that exempt non-UK companies from abiding by industry national agreements.

The Socialist Party's role

Alistair Tice, Yorkshire Socialist Party, adds:

Pressure has been building on the need to defend jobs and conditions, due to Alstom's refusal to employ any UK labour on the Staythorpe power station construction site in Nottinghamshire. Several protests have taken place, in which delegations of workers from the Lindsey oil refinery have participated.
Confirmation that IREM would not employ any UK labour was the straw that broke the camel's back. The shop stewards recommended that they stay 'in procedure' ie abide by the anti-trade union laws, but a meeting of Shaw's workers demanded immediate action and voted to walk out.
This meant that the unofficial strike began without any leadership and without any clear demands. The vacuum that existed in the first two or three days was filled by home-made posters downloaded from a construction workers' website calling for British jobs for British workers - throwing Gordon Brown's words back at him. Whilst this slogan was never a demand of the strike, the media seized on this to present the strike as anti-foreign labour.
This misrepresentation of the strike in the media caused a reaction amongst the strikers. They made clear in interviews and conversation that the strike was not racist or against migrant labour but against the exclusion of UK labour and against the undermining of the national agreement. The British National Party, contrary to media reports, was not welcome on the picket line
A crucial factor was the active intervention of the Socialist Party. Socialist Party member Keith Gibson, who was not a steward, was elected onto the strike committee that was set up on the Friday and by that afternoon had become its spokesperson. This was due to Keith's reputation over many years as a militant trade unionist.
One worker was overheard saying: "Gibbo's up there now. He's top-drawer. He'll get it sorted."
The Socialist Party distributed nearly 1,000 leaflets to strikers on Monday which stated that the strike was not against foreign labour but to stop the race to the bottom and that: "Trade union jobs, pay and conditions for all workers" should be the slogan and not "British jobs for British workers".
Also proposed was a clear set of demands which Keith got adopted by the strike committee and which were carried at a mass meeting. Keith's speeches always emphasised the common interests of all workers against the bosses.
By Tuesday and Wednesday, although there were still a couple of union jack flags, all the "British jobs for British workers" posters had gone. In their place were placards in Italian appealing to the Italian workers to join the strike and another which stated "Workers of the world unite", as commented on by Seamus Milne in a Guardian article.
What this shows is the mixed consciousness that exists. And the effect that the intervention of socialists can have in bringing forward class demands and pushing back any reactionary ideas that exist as a result of years of little struggle and the absence of class politics.
Ultra-left critics, both of the strike and of the Socialist Party, did not engage in discussions with the workers. They preferred to believe the capitalist press. As a result they dismissed the strike as reactionary, racist or xenophobic.
If the Socialist Party had not participated actively in the dispute, there were dangers that such attitudes could have gained strength. Instead, a marvellous victory has been achieved, which lays the basis for unionising the foreign workers and strengthening class unity.

Days of striking like that are now illegal and with the current economic climate can people afford to go on strike?


Knowing all the facts of cheap imported labour can we afford not to strike.
Can you live off state handouts, I know I can't and if this continues we will all be unemployed and cheap foreign labour will occupy all the jobs.

Even Australia who until recently had a massive recruitment drive has put restrictions down and is now giving work to its own people.
 
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So is the strike this time due to the immigrant labour being underpaid or because the guys were paid off?

The union rep on this mornings news gave the impression it was because they were paid off.
 
This is the problem with the EU as any member state's citiziens can work in any other member state so if a company which tenders for work in another member and win's the contract and want's to employ people from other member states on a cheaper rate then they can under EU law.

Time to stick two fingers up to the EU and get out, has cost the UK a fortune over the years and all we get is grief.
 
This is what scouse is saying. Laws are being broke when this is being done because they are not sticking the the blue book or naeci agreement!
How can a foreign company price a job not sticking to these rules and yet a british company has to? it just stinks!
 
So is the strike this time due to the immigrant labour being underpaid or because the guys were paid off?

The union rep on this mornings news gave the impression it was because they were paid off.

Hi I have copied this from what I originally posted, it was published in Feb after the original dispute, Looking at it, appears that Total have not stuck to their agreement with the Unions. They have laid off 51 British workers and seem to have then replaced them with more than 60 Foreign workers . I will have to look into this further, but don't forget the media do cut and edit and actually ask the questions so its sometimes not really the way it appears on TV.

"" This deal has set the benchmark for dozens of other sites throughout Britain and in fact throughout Europe. This heroic struggle by 1,000-plus construction engineers in the refinery, supported by walk-outs at 20-plus other sites, has resulted in a victory for the workers. They are on different contracts throughout the site in north Lincolnshire.
It was a victory against the bosses of Total, the French oil company that owns the site. But also against the whole neoliberal regime that operates across the EU. In the process, it exposed the anti-union laws as irrelevant when a mass of workers move into struggle.
The workers have been guaranteed 102 of the 198 jobs that are available in the part of the contract for building a new chemical facility, HDS3.
As Keith Gibson in his article in last week's The Socialist explained, the original contractor, Shaw, had been told that they had lost part of the work to an Italian company, IREM, who would bring in their own workforce from Italy and elsewhere to do the job.
As a result, Shaw had told the shop stewards on the site that some of their members would be made redundant from 17 February to make way for the Italian workers.
What was crucial in this was not the fact that they were Italian or Portuguese but that they would not be part of the National Agreement for the Engineering and Construction Industry (NAECI). ""
 
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Therefore CHEAPER! If this couldnt be done why on earth would they bring in foreign workers! What people and the media need to realise is that on any blue book or naeci site no matter where u come from if u r a spark u should get the same rate, this goes for scaffolders, welders, labourers everything. I have no problem with a foriegn worker being here as long as he is on same rate and has all the tickets he needs ie safety passport etc
 
What the British Trade Union Movement now needs to do is to go back to European Court of Human Rights and argue the case for maintaining the way we work in this country
To allow others from Foreign countries to work upon other terms and conditions is actually infringing upon Our Human Rights and actually goes against one of the fundamental reasons for the setting up of the NAECI Agreement in the first place.

Under the EU directives, backed up by the European Court of Human Rights, employing workers under NAECI conditions is seen as a "restraint on trade" and therefore against the freedom of movement of labour and capital enshrined in the EU capitalist club's rules and regulations.

This is actually rubbish, as all they need to do is employ them on the same terms and conditions as everybody else.
The fact that they are not choosing to do so, is ABSOLUTE PROOF , that the aim of the exercise ,is not, to allow them" FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT" or to stop restictions to the" WORKING MANS TRADE" but to actually" DRIVE DOWN WAGE RATES."

This needs to be sorted out now before it goes any further.

A massive rebuilding program is about to be under taken by the Utilities providers across the country.
Many of these Utilities providers are now Foreign owned.
New Power Stations are either in the process of being built or are ready to be started, many being Nuclear.
The French have a big stake in this field, Alstom are a big French Company ,who even Big British companies have been held to ransom by when using them.
We currently have disputes with them over Staythorpe Power Station and ALSTOMS statements, of NOT USING BRITISH LABOUR, doesn't bode well for the British Construction Industry
. Surely this is an infringement of OUR HUMAN RIGHTS. This is "A RESTRAINT Of TRADE" for every British Construction Worker.
 
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u know for a scouser u talk a lot of sense. I totally agree with u that this needs to be sorted NOW! But until the government and the media get the message all we can do is what has happened this week and what is getting planned a national strike. I would like to see there reaction if foreign mps came over to run this current shambolic country for less wages. Oh that would be stopped instantle wouldnt it!
 
u know for a scouser u talk a lot of sense. I totally agree with u that this needs to be sorted NOW! But until the government and the media get the message all we can do is what has happened this week and what is getting planned a national strike. I would like to see there reaction if foreign mps came over to run this current shambolic country for less wages. Oh that would be stopped instantle wouldnt it!

We will struggle most times actually getting the point over as we have no control over the Media Coverage.
Britain still has class issue and we are seen as expendable and overpaid.
Sensationalism sells papers and gets viewers.
Although the lads at the picket are doing a great job they are not media savvy and as has been pointed out in one of my original threads actually made basic errors when the disputes first surfaced in January, and if the pictures on the news yesterday were actually new they are still making them.
For Example: British Jobs For British Workers Placards
This is not the issue
We want freedom of trade
We also want a level playing field and all foreign workers to be employed on the same terms and conditions as we are.
I recently worked in Norway and Employers had to take us on the same rates of pay and conditions as the Norwegian Workers.
This is fair and ensures no discrimination, and doesn't infringe my human rights or that of the Norwegian workers.
What the Construction needs is to get hold of a media savvy front man or woman ...(JOANNA LUMLEY RE THE GHURKAS)..to put our points across.
 
Hi I have copied this from what I originally posted, it was published in Feb after the original dispute, Looking at it, appears that Total have not stuck to their agreement with the Unions. They have laid off 51 British workers and seem to have then replaced them with more than 60 Foreign workers . I will have to look into this further, but don't forget the media do cut and edit and actually ask the questions so its sometimes not really the way it appears on TV.

"" This deal has set the benchmark for dozens of other sites throughout Britain and in fact throughout Europe. This heroic struggle by 1,000-plus construction engineers in the refinery, supported by walk-outs at 20-plus other sites, has resulted in a victory for the workers. They are on different contracts throughout the site in north Lincolnshire.
It was a victory against the bosses of Total, the French oil company that owns the site. But also against the whole neoliberal regime that operates across the EU. In the process, it exposed the anti-union laws as irrelevant when a mass of workers move into struggle.
The workers have been guaranteed 102 of the 198 jobs that are available in the part of the contract for building a new chemical facility, HDS3.
As Keith Gibson in his article in last week's The Socialist explained, the original contractor, Shaw, had been told that they had lost part of the work to an Italian company, IREM, who would bring in their own workforce from Italy and elsewhere to do the job.
As a result, Shaw had told the shop stewards on the site that some of their members would be made redundant from 17 February to make way for the Italian workers.
What was crucial in this was not the fact that they were Italian or Portuguese but that they would not be part of the National Agreement for the Engineering and Construction Industry (NAECI). ""

The interview was live on BBC One outside the plant.

i agree that everyone should be on the same pay if its a Blue Book site but I got to the part in bold and underlined and stopped reading.

The Socialist magazine, just like Searchlight, are part of the fascist left of this country and perpetuate nothing but lies, bluster and mistruths. To believe them would be to believe the lies from the BNP who are also tagging onto this dispute.

Also you have to remember if the union gets offered enough cash to "go away" then your official unionised part of your fight will die and they will tell you to go back to work.

They are the sole reason that the workers in the oil sector are still fighting to this day for 4 weeks paid holidays.

Trust the unions at your peril.
 

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