live joints in wall

[The apprentice]

hi there, recently had an electrician in as the kitchen was being re done now iam an apprentice didn't want to say anything to the guy who is qualified and of course and argument but hes left connector block joints in the plaster board wall with insulation taped up where existing sockets where and has joined the ring straight through which wont be accessible due to the plasterer coming also no minor works certificate I am not happy so come here for some advice reason for me not doing it is I expected minor works report which I cant sign off yet

 

[The apprentice]

If that is the level of their competence I wouldn't have them back and question their other works.

Yeah 100% who else has he done this to is wht my question is but I will be reporting him for this type of work

 

[7029 dave]

Picture 2 is an easy fix

pull back the cable from the socket to the right and remover , and there looks just enough slack on the other cable to push it into the double socket box and connect back to the socket

no need what so ever for the tape joint in this situation

Picture 1 , if you really don;t want a double socket there then I would put a box and blank it off

Agree with pic2

 

[littlespark]

same guys aren't working on gas, are they?

 

[bigspark17]

Why not contact him and ask him if he plans to leave it like that, he might have other plans for it. You going straight to nic eic will defo end up in an argument. Dont be affraid to ask.

 

[Electrics]

I know it's still 'acceptable' or whatever but imo any spark taking on private work and using blocks instead of wagos (or similar) is rough. They're like 15 quid for about 100, there's no excuse not to use them. If they're penny pinching on such things i'd question the rest of their decisions as it seems they're in it to make as much money as possible by cutting corners - as i said i know they're sold and are still acceptable but it's like someone using a hacksaw to cut copper pipe because they won't buy a £12 pipe slice - just screams shoddy.

 

[GBDamo]

I know it's still 'acceptable' or whatever but imo any spark taking on private work and using blocks instead of wagos (or similar) is rough. They're like 15 quid for about 100, there's no excuse not to use them. If they're penny pinching on such things i'd question the rest of their decisions as it seems they're in it to make as much money as possible by cutting corners - as i said i know they're sold and are still acceptable but it's like someone using a hacksaw to cut copper pipe because they won't buy a £12 pipe slice - just screams shoddy.

Just be careful, a new better product does not automatically make the old product unsafe or dodgy.

Chock block type connectors are still supplied loose and as integeral parts of equipment. They have functioned well for decades and will continue to do so.

Having said all that I'd not use them as the alternatives are so much easier to use.

 

[7029 dave]

Lots of shop bought light fitting still come with connector blocks. (just saying)

 

[freddo]

If a joint is buried in a wall and the cables are less than 50mm from the wall surface they still need to be in the safe zones

 

[Electrics]

Just be careful, a new better product does not automatically make the old product unsafe or dodgy.

Chock block type connectors are still supplied loose and as integeral parts of equipment. They have functioned well for decades and will continue to do so.

Having said all that I'd not use them as the alternatives are so much easier to use.

My premise is that if someone foregoes that ease of use/speed of use for the sake of a few quid it's probably a good indicator of their general mindset towards the job.

 

[GBDamo]

My premise is that if someone foregoes that ease of use/speed of use for the sake of a few quid it's probably a good indicator of their general mindset towards the job.

Or...what the boss will pay for.

 

[Electrics]

Or...what the boss will pay for.

I meant if you're doing private work. Imo it says a lot about your mindset if you use the cheapest materials that give a worse finish and take longer just to save pennies.

An example is stranded cable into a domino block. When wagos/ferrules are available that's just rough doing it that way.

 

[The apprentice]

Agree with pic2

I know what you guys are saying but iam not touching it I mean I haven’t Evan got a minor works report or anything

 

[The apprentice]

Gas was taken out of the kitchen and a 7.2 kw induction hob was out in so he moved the the 6mm feed and joint it somewhere under the floor because the joiner fixed the water damaged floor I’ve just discovered he’s bn in the db and moved the induction hob to a 32a which is fine including the way the 6mm is ran, but when I get my continuity tester tomorrow and find it they 2x2.5 that are in a 20a breaker is a ring that he’s moved into a 20amp iam finding stuff everywhere iam an apprentice, can’t really argue with a guy out his time

 

[telectrix]

maybe not argue, but play up your position as a trainee and ask a few questions. e.g. why like this? does it comply?

 

[littlespark]

Id get his NICEIC number or whatever and maybe send an anonymous complaint.

Whether they do anything about it, such as send an inspector.... who knows.

Maybe local H&S rep from council?


Dont know if it was asked earlier, but is this an electrician the customer employed themselves, one brought in by the kitchen fitter, or someone through the kitchen sales.. if its a Wren or Magnet kitchen and the installation was in the price