Looped supply through garage? Look ok?

[chriso]

Hi

Just bought this 1960s house, will be doing full rewire. Incoming supply splits and goes through hole in garage to next door. This is a looped supply?

From what I've read this can restrict us getting an electric car charger in future, that I can speak to the dno about unlooping.

Electrician said the earth cable clamp (coming from next door), clamping on to the mains at the bottom, was loose. Is that a dno issue?

How safe is this setup, sharing next door via a hole in the wall? I believe they are on old style fuses like this with no rcds. If anything were to blow or fire on their old electrics, would it quickly spread through here?

I don't want to annoy the neighbours by having the driveway dug up, but I also want to be safe.

On the full rewire, does this old bit of backboard have to stay? Or is it fine?

Thanks

 

[chriso]

Update.
Nice chap from National Grid came out and looked. Said that they can unloop it and give next door their own supply, but would have to dig up their drive and road.

The fuse (in behind the metal tie on the main incoming black box) was only rated 60amps. Is that fuse just for my property or covering both properties?

Eletrician with us said thats not enough for todays loads, especially for a 4 bed house and suggested it should be 80amps. National Grid guy said he's not sure if thats a chargeable service, because technically it's not a fault.

What would you do here? Anyone have any experience in how much they charge?

It seems bonkers that they can unloop a supply digging up the roads for free, but to change an inadequate fuse for todays needs is chargeable.

We don't have an electric car or heat pump, but will have elec fireplace, hob, oven, immersion heater, garden office etc.

Even if we unloop and next door get a nice new supply, presumably with a higher rated fuse, would we even get a fuse upgrade on our side?

He also said they wouldn't put fireproof foam in the hole between properties, they don't touch that and its down to residents.

Thanks

 

[Lister1987]

My neighbour needs Thiers unlooping for an EV charger. Normally they would go and do the work via 15 but are unable to access the property as the owner is recently deceased so they're going to joint from our driveway and tap into the main trunk there.

The image shows the local LV main and supplies to each house, not something I've seen before so thought I'd share

 

[nicebutdim]

The fuse (in behind the metal tie on the main incoming black box) was only rated 60amps. Is that fuse just for my property or covering both properties?

Eletrician with us said thats not enough for todays loads, especially for a 4 bed house and suggested it should be 80amps. National Grid guy said he's not sure if thats a chargeable service, because technically it's not a fault.

From your image, it seems as though one fuse covers both properties.

Clearly this isn't ideal, but equally it mustn't have caused issues to date. The only people who can advise on the issue of cost is the network operator as they'll decide how much (if anything) works will cost.

I can't imagine this being chargeable, but would put forward the case that your neighbour could be left without electricity, should they manage to blow the main fuse while you were away on holiday - an unlikely circumstance, but one that would be difficult to argue against.

 

[Midwest]

Never seen anything like this before, although from whats been said seems common?

Doesn't seem right, that your neighbours supply is in your property. Neighbours supply, and not DNO's cable. Seems a bit of a DNO bodge to me?

 

[Darkwood]

Anyone else notice the ceiling, is that asbestos because it looks very sus' to me.

 

[Fazz711]

Anyone else notice the ceiling, is that asbestos because it looks very sus' to me.

Looks more like cement board

 

[Darkwood]

Looks more like cement board

I did think that too but usually do a tap test to rule one out, they can look very similar, worth a mention either way just in case it was, could mean the thread creator just goes forward with a little caution.

 

[NSHARDY]

Hi

Just bought this 1960s house, will be doing full rewire. Incoming supply splits and goes through hole in garage to next door. This is a looped supply?

From what I've read this can restrict us getting an electric car charger in future, that I can speak to the dno about unlooping.

Electrician said the earth cable clamp (coming from next door), clamping on to the mains at the bottom, was loose. Is that a dno issue?

How safe is this setup, sharing next door via a hole in the wall? I believe they are on old style fuses like this with no rcds. If anything were to blow or fire on their old electrics, would it quickly spread through here?

I don't want to annoy the neighbours by having the driveway dug up, but I also want to be safe.

On the full rewire, does this old bit of backboard have to stay? Or is it fine?

Thanks


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The ceiling does look like asbestos. If the property has an internal garage, there is a good chance it will be asbestos. It’s there as a fire break to stop the fire spreading to the rest of the property If it has a door into the property from the garage that could be asbestos as well Get it checked before you start work.

 

[davesparks]

Anyone else notice the ceiling, is that asbestos because it looks very sus' to me.

It is quite likely to be given the age of the visible parts of the electrical installation.

As always with suspected asbestos it should be properly tested to find out.

 

[Ericsson]

Hi

Just bought this 1960s house, will be doing full rewire. Incoming supply splits and goes through hole in garage to next door. This is a looped supply?

From what I've read this can restrict us getting an electric car charger in future, that I can speak to the dno about unlooping.

Electrician said the earth cable clamp (coming from next door), clamping on to the mains at the bottom, was loose. Is that a dno issue?

How safe is this setup, sharing next door via a hole in the wall? I believe they are on old style fuses like this with no rcds. If anything were to blow or fire on their old electrics, would it quickly spread through here?

I don't want to annoy the neighbours by having the driveway dug up, but I also want to be safe.

On the full rewire, does this old bit of backboard have to stay? Or is it fine?

Thanks


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Hi Chriso did you manage to find a solution? We are in a similar situation with our property that was splits into 2 different properties some time ago. We brought UKPN to request to unloop the service but they say that it is not a looped service but rather a single phase supply which laterally feeds my upstairs neighbour via a private cable...

 

[grumpyjohn01]

Interesting that this should come up because I've got WPD (ok national grid) coming on Friday to look at a similar situation at a job I'm in the early stages of. In this case 2 supplies coming from 1 fairly new cutout. Tbh I don't think I've ever seen this before in my area and the guy at NG seemed quite surprised and said it wasn't 'correct'. I'm interested in what you all think about their likely reaction as the job will probably entail moving one of the supplies and it will be many brownie points for me if I can steer it in the 'no charge' direction.
Ignore the awful swa connection straight off the meter ....its coming out!!