Luckins Pricing Guide

[markythesparky]

Does any body have access to a 2006 Luckins Pricing guide. I need one for a court case that we have brought due to non payment of a client.

I would be willing to rent it or pay a reasonable sum for it.

 

[Wotsit]

I had a look in the internet archive for you but it turned up nothing

If you are close to London you could pop down to the British library, They will have a copy, you will need to register for a reading pass first though.

 

[donnajward]

Hi

You won't find a copy of a Luckins pricing guide at the British Library, as it is a publication that changes every week (there are over one million changes per year to the central Luckins database, so you would have to consider the date of order, installation and invoice in respect of the items sold to your client, in order to identify the trade price at the time).

Therefore, if someone does offer you a back copy of one of our printed products, it is not only of no value to you as evidence (constantly fluctuating prices) but they would also be in breach of their licence with us, as each customer is licensed for its own use only.

A far better solution is to contact TSI Luckins direct. We have back information on all the products we cover (over 800,000) and we have helped other companies in the same situation as your own for a modest fee. In some cases, the defaulting client has settled out of court, once they realise the supplier has done his homework properly.

Please call Sue McKenna, Commercial Office Manager, if you would like to discuss this on 01780 750500.

Good luck with your case.

Donna Ward
Managing Director
TSI Luckins
Trade Service Information Ltd

 

[Mac]

Hi

You won't find a copy of a Luckins pricing guide at the British Library, as it is a publication that changes every week (there are over one million changes per year to the central Luckins database, so you would have to consider the date of order, installation and invoice in respect of the items sold to your client, in order to identify the trade price at the time).

Therefore, if someone does offer you a back copy of one of our printed products, it is not only of no value to you as evidence (constantly fluctuating prices) but they would also be in breach of their licence with us, as each customer is licensed for its own use only.

A far better solution is to contact TSI Luckins direct. We have back information on all the products we cover (over 800,000) and we have helped other companies in the same situation as your own for a modest fee. In some cases, the defaulting client has settled out of court, once they realise the supplier has done his homework properly.

Please call Sue McKenna, Commercial Office Manager, if you would like to discuss this on 01780 750500.

Good luck with your case.

Donna Ward
Managing Director
TSI Luckins
Trade Service Information Ltd

Hi and welcome to the forum Donna

 

[donnajward]

Hi Mac

Thanks for your welcome message.

I haven't seen the site before - looks very interesting.

Donna

 

[Mac]

Great site and a great bunch of blokes/gals here too

 

[markythesparky]

Donna,

I appreciate your response.

However i require this as this is what the court appointent single joint expert has claimed that he is using.

Firstly he is cliaming that our hourly rate of £25 is too high and that Luckins states a rate of £16.13.

Secondly if it is of no use to me due to the considerations that you mention, then how is it of any use to him or the court. i am the only person who has invoices for materials purchased although they are at the accountants offices.

 

[donnajward]

Mark

The labour guide times we quote are specific to individual products (wherever included in the Luckins information). These only change when new technology is introduced that reduces the installation time, so it could be that the installation guide time he's quoting from hasn't changed.

However, the price of each product in your invoice will have fluctuated considerably since that time, so anyone quoting a "Luckins trade price" would have to have access to our information as it stood at that point in time, in other words, that WEEK to be confident of its accuracy.

You should ask the court appointed expert to confirm that he or she is using the edition of our printed publication that was current at the time. They may be referring to one of our computer databases but the same would apply (ie are they referring to the version of the data that was current in the week in question?).

Donna

 

[markythesparky]

Donna,

The expert is not quoting labour fitting times but the actual hourly rate that we should be charging, being £16.13 from his Luckins. i presume that your hourly rates for electricians wages are different from those that the company employing the electrician would charge.

The expert also does not know the manufacturer of the items that we have installed. He has not listed that, say, a fuse board was manufactured by Hager, but instead has just used the generic, 'fuseboard unit'. Therefore could you see how could he offer an opinion as to how much the specific item was at that time.

Also would you mind explaining how, if prices change every week (which they could) that you update the printed version of your guide. Do you send out these pages every week. Obviously the software version is somewhat easier.

 

[Mac]

I don't want to sound disrespectful mate.Are you talking loads of money.When you quoted a price to do the job did the customer agree.People who have money don't like parting with money,they will always have a moan about something,had it done to me a couple of times.

 

[donnajward]

Mark

There seems to be some confusion as to our labour guide times here. We indicate an installation TIME per product, not an hourly labour rate per installer, so the court appointed "expert" seems to be using our brand name in an inappropriate context. Contractors decide the hourly labour rate, both in terms of what they pay their staff and what rate they charge their customers in order to make a living.

As for generic items, only Cable and Metal Conduit Fittings are covered under a "generic" heading in Luckins, so in the example you quote (fuse board), the manufacturer's published trade price for the specific item would have been accessible via a Luckins publication or database.

This forum doesn't allow free promotion of products and services (they have to make a living, too) and we are not yet a sponsor, so I can't provide more information about Luckins products here.

I think you should challenge the appointed expert, as what you're being told doesn't sound right to me.

Hope this helps.

Donna

 

[Guest123]

Many thanks for your input Donna.

Welcome to the forums.

 

[markythesparky]

Yes the client agreed to the quotation. Which incidenatly the expert agree's, but, as is usually the case, the client changed the specifiaction numerous times during the install which we complied with and when the final bill came in, it was contested and hence we end up at todays scenario.

 

[Mac]

Yes the client agreed to the quotation. Which incidenatly the expert agree's, but, as is usually the case, the client changed the specifiaction numerous times during the install which we complied with and when the final bill came in, it was contested and hence we end up at todays scenario.

If the client changed the spec during the install was anything put down in writing and was he made aware of the extra cost.Looks to me mate he is taking the proverbial.Has he paid any of the bill.

 

[Guest123]

Hi Mark.

Sorry to hear about your situation, it really annoys me when the **** is taken out of an honest hardworking tradesman.

Do you have any written orders for the extra's??

In this day and age I feel they are a must.