Magic gel in the cold?

[peterhyper]

Not having used it before, I read magic gel doesn't set that well in the cold weather so any thoughts/advice welcome?

I am hoping to slightly improve on the professional job I found (as per the picture). I should mention that in fairness to the 'home improvement' person that did this wonderful piece of work (that they permanently left laying on the lawn), they did go to the time and effort in covering the connectors with a disposable rubber glove, and the amount of money they charged the homeowner for this this and other similar work would be enough for me and the Mrs to go on a decent holiday.

 

[peterhyper]

Unfortuately the customer wants the cable/boxes underground so I don't have a choice.

 

[PEG]

You will have to let us know,what box/fittings you select,and what head of water,it is proof,to...

I would warn against making any promise to your customer,that your selected kit manufacturer,cannot match...

 

[peterhyper]

You will have to let us know,what box/fittings you select,and what head of water,it is proof,to...

I would warn against making any promise to your customer,that your selected kit manufacturer,cannot match...

I plan to use wiska 308 boxes and fill with magic gel.

I get the impression magic gel isn't very popular on here

 

[Strima]

With the right kit you shouldn't need magic gel. I don't have a problem with it and have used it a few times in the past if needed.

 

[PEG]

I plan to use wiska 308 boxes and fill with magic gel.

I get the impression magic gel isn't very popular on here

It does have it's place,but you will be relying on a chemical,and not a mechanical method,of providing resistance to hydraulic influences.

It is the reason we use a tapered,plastic fitting,and not jelly-on-a-chain,to stopper our sinks

Your customer may be making the rules,but if the junction fails,and it comes to light the method involved,is not approved by any of the items manufacturers...they will forget it was their idea

Why not put the connection in a suitable,approved weatherproof box,and suggest to your customer,a lawn ornament,maybe a gnome,and conceal it up it's........or wait for them to make another suggestion,and give them the gnome's job

 

[gnselectricals]

Magic gel isn’t suitable for direct burial apparently so I usually use resin of connections need to be buried which I would try and avoid if possible.

 

[HandySparks]

Unfortuately the customer wants the cable/boxes underground so I don't have a choice.

... I usually use resin of connections need to be buried which I would try and avoid if possible.

I agree. If you really have to bury it, then a resin-filled joint would be best.

 

[DPG]

PEG's idea of an IP66 garden gnome sounds good to me. Check your local wholesaler!

 

[PEG]

PEG's idea of an IP66 garden gnome sounds good to me. Check your local wholesaler!

If you see one in a garden,which has pursed lips...that's the one with a three-way inserted...giggerty

 

[Deleted account]

Has anyone tried the wiska shark connection joints? I'm thinking of using them soon. Are they suitable for burial?

 

[sparksfly]

I have not used the shark....but green ones by raytech in the past for a large fountain a number of boxes around the edge of the water constantly wet or submerged....they were/are perfect. As for majic gel....I have had issues in the very cold with it running out if a very tiny hole in a jcn box....so just make sure the box is water tight especially if you have conduit attached block it with duct tape!!. As for using them for an underground joint I have tried wiska box's with SWA and short flex attached minus their earth clamp (useless if moved slightly)decent hose earthed clips.... buried, yellow warning tape etc. The box being in a hole with gravel surrounded by heavy stone or blue bricks. located near a movable spot light (location map to customer with measurements). Why ? having used resin for years and still will, in this case it did not meet the need for future maintenance of customers light fitting replacement or additional lights. I have re-entered these majic gelled boxes due to customer demands and found it to be successful ( after replacing the wago connectors in some).

 

[peterhyper]

I have not used the shark....but green ones by raytech in the past for a large fountain a number of boxes around the edge of the water constantly wet or submerged....they were/are perfect. As for majic gel....I have had issues in the very cold with it running out if a very tiny hole in a jcn box....so just make sure the box is water tight especially if you have conduit attached block it with duct tape!!. As for using them for an underground joint I have tried wiska box's with SWA and short flex attached minus their earth clamp (useless if moved slightly)decent hose earthed clips.... buried, yellow warning tape etc. The box being in a hole with gravel surrounded by heavy stone or blue bricks. located near a movable spot light (location map to customer with measurements). Why ? having used resin for years and still will, in this case it did not meet the need for future maintenance of customers light fitting replacement or additional lights. I have re-entered these majic gelled boxes due to customer demands and found it to be successful ( after replacing the wago connectors in some).

Thanks for the info. I got the litre pack from toolstation and it was £39, but my local CEF wanted £61 for exactly the same thing!

 

[sparksfly]

Thanks for the info. I got the litre pack from toolstation and it was £39, but my local CEF wanted £61 for exactly the same thing!

No problem...I do find Toolstation's prices and service very good for some brands but I am also wary about quality on certain items....as for CEF...I only use them when desperate... they always hike the prices too far.

 

[Deleted account]

Agree with the above.
Screw fix seem to have pulled there socks up a bit. Products and service much improved.