Magic gel in the cold?

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peterhyper

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Not having used it before, I read magic gel doesn't set that well in the cold weather so any thoughts/advice welcome?

I am hoping to slightly improve on the professional job I found (as per the picture). I should mention that in fairness to the 'home improvement' person that did this wonderful piece of work (that they permanently left laying on the lawn), they did go to the time and effort in covering the connectors with a disposable rubber glove, and the amount of money they charged the homeowner for this this and other similar work would be enough for me and the Mrs to go on a decent holiday.


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Strima said:
A decent box would be better. Pratley boxes are good.
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I am connecting a lawn light into both boxes (there is another box the same as the one in the picture), and 2 swa cable glands and a 20mm compression gland I thought would fit better in a wiska box as the prately box wouldn't seal the cable attached to the lawn lights.
 
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peterhyper said:
I am connecting a lawn light into both boxes (there is another box the same as the one in the picture), and 2 swa cable glands and a 20mm compression gland I thought would fit better in a wiska box as the prately box wouldn't seal the cable attached to the lawn lights.
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A 20mm stuffing gland will.
 
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I am moving the connections underground, and just thought that the magic gel would be better as I have concerns that the 20mm compression gland wouldn't give the cable attached to the lawn light a perfect long term water tight seal underground?
 
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peterhyper said:
Not having used it before, I read magic gel doesn't set that well in the cold weather so any thoughts/advice welcome?

I am hoping to slightly improve on the professional job I found (as per the picture). I should mention that in fairness to the 'home improvement' person that did this wonderful piece of work (that they permanently left laying on the lawn), they did go to the time and effort in covering the connectors with a disposable rubber glove, and the amount of money they charged the homeowner for this this and other similar work would be enough for me and the Mrs to go on a decent holiday.


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What were they charged?
 
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peterhyper said:
I asked the homeowner what it cost him and he said he paid the home improvement guy "thousands." It's a massive house and garden and the guy did lots of other electrical work and it's all to a similar standard to his handy work in the picture (the list is very long).
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Hope he learnt a lesson
 
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You will have to let us know,what box/fittings you select,and what head of water,it is proof,to...:)

I would warn against making any promise to your customer,that your selected kit manufacturer,cannot match...
 
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PEG said:
You will have to let us know,what box/fittings you select,and what head of water,it is proof,to...:)

I would warn against making any promise to your customer,that your selected kit manufacturer,cannot match...
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I plan to use wiska 308 boxes and fill with magic gel.

I get the impression magic gel isn't very popular on here
 
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With the right kit you shouldn't need magic gel. I don't have a problem with it and have used it a few times in the past if needed.
 
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peterhyper said:
I plan to use wiska 308 boxes and fill with magic gel.

I get the impression magic gel isn't very popular on here
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It does have it's place,but you will be relying on a chemical,and not a mechanical method,of providing resistance to hydraulic influences.

It is the reason we use a tapered,plastic fitting,and not jelly-on-a-chain,to stopper our sinks :)

Your customer may be making the rules,but if the junction fails,and it comes to light the method involved,is not approved by any of the items manufacturers...they will forget it was their idea :eek:

Why not put the connection in a suitable,approved weatherproof box,and suggest to your customer,a lawn ornament,maybe a gnome,and conceal it up it's........or wait for them to make another suggestion,and give them the gnome's job ;)
 
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I have not used the shark....but green ones by raytech in the past for a large fountain a number of boxes around the edge of the water constantly wet or submerged....they were/are perfect. As for majic gel....I have had issues in the very cold with it running out if a very tiny hole in a jcn box....so just make sure the box is water tight especially if you have conduit attached block it with duct tape!!. As for using them for an underground joint I have tried wiska box's with SWA and short flex attached minus their earth clamp (useless if moved slightly)decent hose earthed clips.... buried, yellow warning tape etc. The box being in a hole with gravel surrounded by heavy stone or blue bricks. located near a movable spot light (location map to customer with measurements). Why ? having used resin for years and still will, in this case it did not meet the need for future maintenance of customers light fitting replacement or additional lights. I have re-entered these majic gelled boxes due to customer demands and found it to be successful ( after replacing the wago connectors in some).
 
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sparksfly said:
I have not used the shark....but green ones by raytech in the past for a large fountain a number of boxes around the edge of the water constantly wet or submerged....they were/are perfect. As for majic gel....I have had issues in the very cold with it running out if a very tiny hole in a jcn box....so just make sure the box is water tight especially if you have conduit attached block it with duct tape!!. As for using them for an underground joint I have tried wiska box's with SWA and short flex attached minus their earth clamp (useless if moved slightly)decent hose earthed clips.... buried, yellow warning tape etc. The box being in a hole with gravel surrounded by heavy stone or blue bricks. located near a movable spot light (location map to customer with measurements). Why ? having used resin for years and still will, in this case it did not meet the need for future maintenance of customers light fitting replacement or additional lights. I have re-entered these majic gelled boxes due to customer demands and found it to be successful ( after replacing the wago connectors in some).
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Thanks for the info. I got the litre pack from toolstation and it was £39, but my local CEF wanted £61 for exactly the same thing!
 
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