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Hi, im about to finish my level 2 course, ive just retook my maths gcse and i have a D at the moment so if i don't get a C im not sure what happens. I understand most colleges require a C Or above for level 3 without an apprenticeship but if i got an apprenticeship with a company would colleges still take me on as i am more more than capable of doing the work needed?

thanks
 
A-level comparable to 12yr old exam.... seem unlikely

Articles suggest that in the last 20 years you would get a few grades higher, but 6 years worth education, unlikely
I went to some very good schools, and friends with some very smart people. A few peeps took their a-levels at 15; without exception they crashed and burned.
These people then went on to Cambridge and Oxford, so smart (much smarter than me).
Those A-levels were hard, really hard. Nothing on the electrical course was remotely taxing.

I might agree that you could teach the 2330 maths to hard working 12 year olds, but not the a-levels i took.

Then again I am talking about 15 years ago, the recent 15 might be critical, but doubt it.
 
Their was a study done and modern A levellers were given exams from 40yrs ago and a majority failed all equivalent A level and O level pass rates equivical to today were only achieved when they went down through the age groups and saw a comparible numerical skill rate akin to 11 and 12 yr olds, this was consistant with those doing O levels and A levels ..... below is a recent report of many which covers not just maths but other subjects but may i point to the areas addressing that half of all adults today have the numerical skills of an 11yr old also may i point out that this is an 11yr old in todays standards with yrs of dumbing down it has been claimed and has unrefutable evidence that half of all adults have the numerical skills that a 7 / 8yr old from the 1970's was expected to achieve.


Anthony Tomei, director of the Nuffield Foundation, which contributed towards the research, said, “It is a common complaint from higher education that students come unprepared for the quantitative demands of their subjects, so the question of what mathematics should be required in A-level teaching is important.”Two separate report published on Friday analysed the maths content of nine A-level subjects, saying a grasp of issues such as statistics was vital.
One study by the Science Community Representing Education (Score) – a group of learned bodies – looked at biology, chemistry and physics.
Another report from the Nuffied Foundation analysed exams in business studies, computing, economics, geography, psychology and sociology.
In the first study, experts said that areas of maths which underpin scientific ideas were missing from the exams.
The report raised concerns that competition between exam boards prevented them setting papers or assessments "that might appear difficult, for example by including more and more challenging mathematical content."
Prof Graham Hutchings, chairman of Score, said the finding were "worrying".
"Mathematics enables students to understand and describe many scientific phenomena,” he said. "Without learning some mathematical techniques, students are missing out on gaining a full understanding of the scientific ideas."
The second study found huge variations in the maths content of papers set by different boards.
For business studies, pupils needed maths for between two and 36 per cent of marks, depending on the exam. Maths was needed for between four and 14 per cent of economics papers and 10 to 20 per cent of geography exams.
The conclusions will add to growing concerns over the state of maths education in Britain.
A study earlier this year found almost half of British adults have the maths skills of an 11-year-old or worse, leaving them struggling to manage family finances, calculate change and use transport timetables.
It follows a campaign by The Daily Telegraph to highlight the mathematical crisis facing Britain and equip parents with the tools to boost children’s basic skill levels.
A spokesman for the Department for Education said: “We need to keep A-levels robust, rigorous and relevant to match the best education systems in the world and to keep pace with universities’ demands.
“That is why we believe universities should have greater involvement in the design and development of A-level qualifications.”
 
Apologies if ive taken this thread on a tangent ... ill leave it at that if this discussion continues il probably open a thread dedicated to it so as not to saturate this thread with a seperate discussion to that of which the OP originally asked.
 
It seems we were discussing a slightly different topic.
That report covers the math content of other subjects, not maths itself.

If the electrical courses I have done is anything to go by I am in agreement with you.
The mathematical underpinning of the subject was rushed over leaving many people in the class with little understanding. They were taught to answer the exam questions, not the scientific principles that electricity relies on.

However I would still disagree that the current maths a-level is hugely easier. While I would not be surprised if someone who got a C 30 years ago, with a bit of time travel, got an A or a B now. I do not believe that a 12 year old could pass the exam now. It is a shame if they have simplified the maths content of physics and chemistry as the maths gets a lot harder the next level up!
 
Try not to mis-interpret what im saying.... disruption in class is at an all time high so teaching and respectively learning is harder to achieve, im in total believe that student work their butts off hard to achieve their results but its because of the teaching environment nowadays that it has become necessary to dumb them down, take china the other extreme... their society takes away childrens freedom to the extent that they do school and homework for 13hrs a day and by the time they are 11 they are of higher IQ than most of our school leavers; now discipline is over harsh there but shows you exactly what distraction can do to the entire class and education system, as i said it all went into decline when physical punishment was abolished and respect from children lost.
 
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totally agree with darkwood,the education system today is a joke,theres a reason for record a level results,its because its easier,years ago someone who got a levels and went to uni was a step above the rest and was really clever(ie they could choose not to get a job in the yards or mines..remember them,apparently theres no need for ships or coal,i'll stop before i rant),now anyone can go to uni,,tho to bill 44 i doubt your the only one who struggled with the maths,i did and it was only say the last 6 months of part 2 i realised that i had pull my finger out,but just study and study and it all comes together.
 

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