Minor works on a 30 year old install

[Smart Sparks]

Hi all,

Just a sanity check really but all advice welcome.

I went to survey some minor works in a 1 bed maisonette, the works the customer wants consists of light fitting replacement and light switch replacement.

Water and gas are bonded with a green 10mm cable in green, but there is no supplementary bonding or RCD protection.

The cabling is PVC and there are no signs of additions or alterations.

CU is 4,way with 3036 fuses, TN-S


My question is can I just change the fittings on a minor works, without adding RCD protection?. As I am not making the install any worse.

My preference would be to change board to add RCD protection, but not sure he will go for it , based on regs I can't just add supp bonding.

Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

 

[Edd]

As long as the work you do is too the current regulations then you can "coment on exsisting installation" in the box provided..

 

[Geoffsd]

My question is can I just change the fittings on a minor works, without adding RCD protection?. As I am not making the install any worse.

Yes of course.

You cannot expect to change the board for one light and switch renewal.

My preference would be to change board to add RCD protection, but not sure he will go for it , based on regs I can't just add supp bonding.

Why should he?

 

[Smart Sparks]

Guys

fair point raised, makes sense to me. What about bonding in kitchen and bathroom, no supp bonding only main bond to gas and water, is this enough?.

By the way it is every light fitting and all switches.

 

[tony mc]

You do not need supplementary bonding in kitchens !

Does the bathhroom need supplementary bonding have any tests been carried out?

 

[Smart Sparks]

No tests completed yet, visual check on main bonds and cpc,s to final circuits. No sign of any bonding to sink, rad pipe work in bathroom.

 

[tony mc]

It sounds like you are replacing like for like !

If thats the case make a note on the documentation that you give the customer re your observations !

 

[Smart Sparks]

Absolutely like for like.

Thanks for the advice, I tend to over think these things sometimes. It is rare I see an old install in such good shape, which makes the choice more difficult. Would almost be easier if it was in a right old mess.

Thanks again everyone.

 

[Edd]

If your fitting a new bathroom light then your new fitting wont comply. as this is a special location.

Edit. would you replace a shower in a bathroom if its circuit didnt comply?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

No tests completed yet, visual check on main bonds and cpc,s to final circuits. No sign of any bonding to sink, rad pipe work in bathroom.

Sounds like a bit of an update on bonding requirements might be a good idea mate.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

If your fitting a new bathroom light then your new fitting wont comply. as this is a special location

Why wont a sraight replacement new bathroom light comply?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

If your fitting a new bathroom light then your new fitting wont comply. as this is a special location.

Edit. would you replace a shower in a bathroom if its circuit didnt comply?

Depends on the aspect of non-compliance....if you are referring to no RCD protection....then yes,if that was the only deviation I'd crack on.

 

[Edd]

Why wont a sraight replacement new bathroom light comply?

Because your working in an area thats notifiable, your working in a special location, and all works need to comply with current regs. As my edit above would you be happy replacing a shower with no RCD protection or suplementry bonding in a bathroom?

 

[Edd]

Depends on the aspect of non-compliance....if you are referring to no RCD protection....then yes,if that was the only deviation I'd crack on.

agreed buts its a fine line, and where you draw it depends on person to person.. Non IP rated fittings in zone 1 !! Yep crack on


Edit, Im off for beer,, anyone want one?

 

[telectrix]

but then again, if it's only a like for like replacement, then all that's required would be to advise RCD protection/upgrade. main thing to look out for is if there are no cpc's to lighting, class I fittings can't be used.