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Moaning customers..

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mikeymoo

What would you guys say is a fair price..
Been aked to wire up a shower. Taken alook this morning, already rcd protected, needs 10metres 10mm twin & earth, 50 amp pull cord switch, mk 50amp breaker, also will main bond water as there isnt one present 4 meters 10mm. easy cable run, approx 2 hours work..

I'll tell you what the customer said later...
 
Well i turned up at 9am after a 12 mile drive. Had a look around, come to a figure of £50 for materials, and approx 2 hours work. Put down a figure of £120 which i though was a cheap Quote.
This was received with a look of horror! I felt like a naughty school kid as he stood there looking the quote up and down followed by me!. Then to add insult to injury he said an electrician told him not to pay no more then £80! I said well why didnt that sparky do it himself then!..Then went on to say if i will do it for £80 the jobs yours lol and stuck his hand out to shake on it! felt like passing him my insulation test leads!. Be interesting to hear if any of you guys have a similar story..

Who do these people think they are? After spending £50 on materials they expect you to do the job and certify it for £30. That includes all of your costs and the time spent pricing it as well, and that's with no mark up on materials.
Not worth starting the van up for.
 
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i can do it for £80. off the bathroom light, energise the shower solenoid when he turns the light on. cold shower, sorry sir, for hot it's an extra £120
 
Like hell i did the work! i politely declined his kind offer. But made a mental note to make a pass at his wife next time i so her in a local bar. Went on to wire a small immersion heater 6 feet of flex and Double pole fused spur 45 mins for £80..

To me there is a far reaching effect of me doing a job like that, for a pittance. And that is every hard working spark will be downgraded to mere odd job men. And ive invested far to much to be labelled with that badge.
 
Like hell i did the work!

To me there is a far reaching effect of me doing a job like that, for a pittance. And that is every hard working spark will be downgraded to mere odd job men. And ive invested far to much to be labelled with that badge.

Nice one mate, my sentiments exactly. I'm fairly short of work at the minute, but I know what i'm worth (and other good honest sparks) and wont quote silly money to get jobs...
 
Many years ago we did work for a national retail outlet chain. This was before email was widely used here and the first time I invoiced them I took the whole months paperwork to their head office and presented it to their accounts dept. The accountant looked over it and signed it off, he went to the owners office to get the cheque sorted out and came back with a cheque signed and in an envelope. I promptly trotted off to the bank and deposited said cheque.

At the month end my bookkeeper approached me about the deposit amount being short of the invoiced amount. I was surprised and phoned the accountant at their head office to inquire why. He started laughing and said that the owner always issues the cheque minus a 'settlement amount' or 'discount' which he feels should be due. I nearly spewed and told the accountant exactly what I though about this and also set him straight on a few things about his mother. He said the best thing to do was just to preempt the discount and to work an appropriate amount into the invoice under 'sundries' for example as this was what the other contractors did. I spoke to the owner who just told me that he'd been in the business long enough to know what was a fair price for what and I should just be thankful for the work.
Well for the next two years we did work for these people I nailed them hard. Their invoicing, whilst not quite illegal certainly fell into the creative bracket. My mark-up on materials was nothing short of rude and we billed them a labour rate that was 30% higher than anyone else we worked for. I also added a 'sundries' charge to every single job as the accountant suggested. The punitive billing made up for the unauthorised discounts at least by a factor of three but none the less it still made me annoyed every time I saw the payments short.
Needless to say eventually they must have realised we were charging extortionate prices and they started using other contracting companies. The work from them started dwindling to nothing so two weeks before Christmas when their offices had just closed I sent them a summons for all the amounts they had given themselves as discount over the last two years or so. As expected they didn't reply or acknowledge so two days before Christmas the courts issued a 'summary judgment' for the full amount plus extortionate legal fees. On the 4th Jan I informed them on their first day back after the holidays they had 21 days to pay the 85,000 Rands (about seven and a half thousand quid) and after this time the Sheriff of the Court would attach goods to the value of the amount for sale by auction.

After a few unpleasant phone calls which ranged from pleading to outright threats, they paid but they've never used us as a contractor since. A couple of years later I saw the company owner, who was in his eighties and looking a bit worse for wear by that stage, at a refrigeration trade show. He looked at me for a short while and I could see on his face as the realization dawned on him who I was, he didn't look very happy as about turned and walked off at high speed. I also spoke to another contractor who did work for them long after us and he had suffered exactly the same treatment. Some people never learn.....I advised him how I eventually recovered the unauthorised discounts and after our little chat, he was planning to do the same.
 
nice one. when you're dealing with sharks, you need to be the killer whale.
 
you should if possible keep in mind your daily rate that you think you are worth. If you can get more, BONUS ! but try not to drop much below that amount unless there is a good reason. I see my daily rate as 150 pounds. But a lot of it is about salesmanship too. If you are good at selling yourself, a customer will often take your quote straight away as they know they are getting a "top notch professional job" that mr charlie cowboy down the road cant provide. Anyone who want a job based purely on price is a pain. When negotiating a price i always say " Quality remains long after price is forgotten". Never a truer word said.
 

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