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[sedgy34]

Guys please email your MP regarding the part P
ive emailed mine let the forum make a stance

 

[Engineer54]

Your too dammed late, The time has passed ...You will now be just (Part) Peeing in the wind!! lol!!

 

[Rockingit]

Well, I'm currently 'lapsed' with part P as at my last renewal time I knew it would be several months before I needed to notify anything domestic so I put two fingers up to the NICEIC..... and I'm sorely tempted to stay that way!

 

[Geordie Spark]

Well, I'm currently 'lapsed' with part P as at my last renewal time I knew it would be several months before I needed to notify anything domestic so I put two fingers up to the NICEIC..... and I'm sorely tempted to stay that way!

Good lad !! .............. that's the way to do it - united we stand etc.

 

[sedgy34]

So as my post number 3 i emailed my MP and he sent it on to powers that be in westminster SEE the response
ive been using it to put my coffee cups on.

 

[Guitarist]

So there we are.... A competent person MUST have at least NVQ level 3 or equivalent to gain scheme membership.
I feel much better now about the whole thing

 

[trev]

No mate! I emailed the dept concerned and got the same answer, I pointed out that NVQ3 was not a qualification requirement.
They replied stating that they must be carrying out installation work to that standard not holding the qual.
Complete crap I know.

 

[sedgy34]

the question is who is breaking the law, 5wwders,short course programmes, or the scams. or are they all

 

[HandySparks]

It's interesting that, after the first couple of years, the scheme can choose to do an on-site inspection of members work at intervals of up to 3 years, if the member has a good track record. See section 12 of the doc referrred to:
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/2156713.pdf

 

[Swicade]

I'd say the Scam's are the one's to blame.

Reason being that if they wasn't so lax on entry lvl requirements the short course's progammes wouldn't be open to easy abuse. Short courses are for topping up qualifications for experienced sparks....the scam's themselves have made the experience part pretty much null and void.

BUT never mind...at least the cash keeps rolling for them.

I will add IF the 3 scheme providers actualy did what they were designed to do (as in makeing sure thier members were experienced, Qualified sparks that are up to date with the reg's) they wouldn't get half as much grief from the trade.

I also personaly think each single Electrician (not the whole firm) should be assessed which could bring prices down for membership (cutting down the whines of the price) and at least the customer would know they're getting the right service. I realise people will say "that's the QS's job!" but i know for a fact there's firm's around here that send in trainee's/improver's to do work (signed off by manager/QS often back in the office...which is wrong) but as far as the customer is concerned they're getting the job done to full scheme standards. (dunno if that made much sense tbh).

 

[Guitarist]

I'd say the Scam's are the one's to blame.

Reason being that if they wasn't so lax on entry lvl requirements the short course's progammes wouldn't be open to easy abuse. Short courses are for topping up qualifications for experienced sparks....the scam's themselves have made the experience part pretty much null and void.

BUT never mind...at least the cash keeps rolling for them.

I will add IF the 3 scheme providers actualy did what they were designed to do (as in makeing sure thier members were experienced, Qualified sparks that are up to date with the reg's) they wouldn't get half as much grief from the trade.

I also personaly think each single Electrician (not the whole firm) should be assessed which could bring prices down for membership (cutting down the whines of the price) and at least the customer would know they're getting the right service. I realise people will say "that's the QS's job!" but i know for a fact there's firm's around here that send in trainee's/improver's to do work (signed off by manager/QS often back in the office...which is wrong) but as far as the customer is concerned they're getting the job done to full scheme standards. (dunno if that made much sense tbh).

Totally agree mate. Part of being an apprentice was being supervised and having your work checked (once you were deemed competent to even do it). To simply send a group of blokes out, then get one QS to just sign off the paperwork is complete madness!

 

[sedgy34]

i had my half day assessment 20 days ago and i quizzed him like mad even asking some questions from you guys!
the bloke was blaming the government and said ohh and i agree with you part p is wrong

 

[Swicade]

Hmm....Part P isn't wrong...the way the scheme's have twisted and used it for profit is wrong.

 

[Guitarist]

Hmm....Part P isn't wrong...the way the scheme's have twisted and used it for profit is wrong.

But they don't make a profit. The rules say so...

 

[Engineer54]

These Scam providers must be employing some very clever accountants that are well versed in the production of ''creative accounting'' !!! Have any of you electricians seen any of these ''Benefits'' from their Scam Provider?? Of course not!! Makes you wonder who is administering these Scam providers on the governments behalf. If an NVQ 3 is a requirement to be considered ''Competent'' for Part Pee registration, then why hasn't anyone in authority picked up on it??

Amazing how these Local Authorities and Members of Parliament can put in writing such statements, that are so blatantly inaccurate to the point of being totally Wrong!!

 

[Guitarist]

People only see and hear what suits them, especially Government imo.