My "Line/Wago" Products experience...

[Victor]

I have been using Wago's now for a couple of years and have to say that I find them the best thing since sliced bread as the saying goes. Here in France we can have some very large junction boxes and wago's make connection times sooooooooooooooooo much shorter especially using the push type as nearly all of the cabelling is done in rigid core singles.

 

[nickblake]

Very rare i use terminal block now its wagos all the time save so much time especially when extending cables in a CDU upgrade ,and yes you can make them look tidy bu i have to admit ive not used the line products sorry line products may be one day

 

[Mark_Burgess]

This link will show our main outlets but there are also some others. If none are convenient please let me know and pm me where you are based and the names and branch of wholesalers you use and I will see what I can arrange.
LINE Stockists

Surprised you have not got any in portsmouth, Neweys, Eddys, WF, TLC and screwfix are in spitting distance of each other. Few miles down the road the is Rexel Senate, CEF, Wilts.
Do you supply any of those companies else where? That way I know they can get them in easily.

 

[LineProducts]

It's early days for us so getting these places to stock LINE is a long hard process. Any help or advice from you guys would be greatly appreciated!
cef hold stock in some branches (part K97), senate order on a back to back basis for some of their large customers.

However, the deal I am offering for forum members (on the forumshop) can't be beaten!

 

[High Tower]

Line products........ Talk to a forum member called Eioan he runs Meteor electrical wholesalers online, forum sponsor, and top bloke!!, he is a good place to start.

 

[tlijl]

Love these Wago connectors, been using them for a while but with the Wago boxes and yes find them a little tight at times, where can I source the line boxes as shown in your pics??

 

[Amp David]

Have a look to the right of you screen in the forum sponser section

 

[Heisenberg]

I just wish the Line boxes could take 3 X 2.5s, in one end. Was hoping to use them on a recent job, but needed to go back to a Wagobox. They're still the tops when working with 1 and 1.5mm though.

 

[LineProducts]

I just wish the Line boxes could take 3 X 2.5s, in one end. Was hoping to use them on a recent job, but needed to go back to a Wagobox. They're still the tops when working with 1 and 1.5mm though.

Your wish comes true! It is possible to get 3 x 2.5's in one end. http://youtu.be/3fsu72gOSTY

When designing LINE we assumed that the likely maximum number of 2.5's would be 3. It is possible to easily insert 2x2.5's. For 32A with the lever connectors this would not fit into the "other" box you mention as there is not enough room for the connectors.

As a matter of interest, what was the nature of the installation that you couldn't take the third cable around to the second opening?

 

[Heisenberg]

Your wish comes true! It is possible to get 3 x 2.5's in one end. 3x2-5in one end LINE Junction Box - YouTube

When designing LINE we assumed that the likely maximum number of 2.5's would be 3. It is possible to easily insert 2x2.5's. For 32A with the lever connectors this would not fit into the "other" box you mention as there is not enough room for the connectors.

As a matter of interest, what was the nature of the installation that you couldn't take the third cable around to the second opening?

I don't understand? What you are saying seems contradictory....

If you assumed a maximum of 3 X 2.5s why didn't you make the line boxes able to take them without modification?

Also, whoever mentioned 32A lever connections? The maximum current when using 2.5mm with lever connectors is 26A not 32A, says so on the connectors themselves if you look closely enough.

The nature of my installation was that I was splitting a radial into 3, and I wanted 1 cable going in and 3 coming out.

I have not finished as yet, and might yet return to using adapted Line Boxes. Just wish they did not need to be reamed beforehand.

 

[yellowvanman]

Also, whoever mentioned 32A lever connections? The maximum current when using 2.5mm with lever connectors is 26A not 32A, says so on the connectors themselves if you look closely enough.

But for a ring circuit cables/connections only need to be capable of 20A.

 

[LineProducts]

Thanks for replying. We are always looking for ways to improve our products therefore always trying to understand reasons for criticism.

I have commented in blue text.

I don't understand? What you are saying seems contradictory....

If you assumed a maximum of 3 X 2.5s why didn't you make the line boxes able to take them without modification? We assumed two out of each end so a total of 4. The size of the opening is dictated by IP2X requirements. So making a larger diameter would not work and changing the shape would have messed with the IP67 option.

Also, whoever mentioned 32A lever connections? The maximum current when using 2.5mm with lever connectors is 26A not 32A, says so on the connectors themselves if you look closely enough. Please see the next post (yellowvanman) post where I will ask a question about this - But I admit that I had assumed a ring, though with hindsight only one spur is allowed per point so it could not have been.

The nature of my installation was that I was splitting a radial into 3, and I wanted 1 cable going in and 3 coming out. I agree that sometimes if one of the cables comes from one direction and the other three go off in another direction it can look neater if one comes in one end and three go out the other. The "other box" would have all 4 coming out of one end. LINE two out of each end or LINE modified one out one end and three out of the other end.

I have not finished as yet, and might yet return to using adapted Line Boxes. Just wish they did not need to be reamed beforehand understood. It's a bit more effort but if you have the length of cables you can just insert 2, sandwich the third between and pull through.

 

[LineProducts]

But for a ring circuit cables/connections only need to be capable of 20A.

Please help me understand. I agree that when splicing two cables you only have to consider the current carrying capability of the cable or fuse rating but:

In a ring with a spur it is quite feasible that the spur will draw 32A (or 30A say two 15A appliances or a fault). Therefore, 30A would be flowing through the connector. Minimum rating of the connector should be 30A or fuse rating.

Is this correct?

 

[Heisenberg]

But for a ring circuit cables/connections only need to be capable of 20A.

What I was questioning was the assumption that I was using lever connectors, as I never mentioned anything about the connectors I was using. As it happens, because I'm doing 1 in, 3 out, I'm using Wago 4 way push-in's :smiley2:

 

[yellowvanman]

Please help me understand. I agree that when splicing two cables you only have to consider the current carrying capability of the cable or fuse rating but:

In a ring with a spur it is quite feasible that the spur will draw 32A (or 30A say two 15A appliances or a fault). Therefore, 30A would be flowing through the connector. Minimum rating of the connector should be 30A or fuse rating.

Is this correct?

As per the regs (sorry I've only got the red book here - green is in the van) 433.1.5, it states that the current carrying capacity of the cables on a ring should be at least 20A. So it assumes that on a 32A ring that parts of the consumed current flows in different directions back to the consumer unit. The proportion in each leg depends on the position of the current consumed on the ring itself.
It was my assumption that each connection on the wago can take 26A.
So if you have a 2 gang spur, max current is 26A (2 x 13A probably a lot less most of the time and generally in a new build 2.5 wouldn't be big enough for current carrying capacity, with all that insulation around!), this flows into the wago connector on one contact, it then 'splits' down the 2 legs of the ring, so no one leg takes the whole 26A, and if you're close the the mid way point then 13A will flow in the 2 directions.
This is my interpretation could be wrong, but would be interested to see what feedback you get from Wago.