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My only advice is that if the guy is at all personable (and not a jobsworth robot) then make him a coffee and go the extra mile to be ready and organised with the paperwork, and it pays to develop a good relationship.
To be honest that goes for a lot of things, Many years ago I had two companies running and the dread was always the VAT visit never had the same person twice but they all had stories of being treated like **** on some visits so they made the extra effort to find a problem or prolonged the inspection. We always offered tea or coffee when we were making a brew if we were going out to pick something up for lunch we offered to pick something up for them if they wanted, nothing wrong with being civil no matter how much you may dislike them and most gave good advice to help you out One VAT inspection was funny I thought I recognised the inspector so we spent an hour or so looking at each other with puzzled faces until he said I'm sure I know you then we worked out he was a year or two above me at school and one of his mates was the older brother of one of my mates, surprising how quick the visit was concluded including some advice on reclaiming some VAT we had overpaid
As with many of these assessments / inspections why stress it will show and they will think you have made errors and are worried that they will find something to pull you up on if you are confident and chilled they probably won't bother
 
One VAT inspection was funny I thought I recognised the inspector
Going OT, but the funniest I've had was when a chap turned up to survey a house I was selling for the purchaser. This was in Oswestry. After coffee and cake we got chatting and randomly discovered two places our paths had vaguely crossed before:
1 - I'd looked around and came close to buying a house he used to own years ago.
2 - I mentioned I used to live in Carlisle - he'd been once, as an away fan when Spurs played Carlisle. I happened to have gone to that match (In the 10 years I'd lived in Carlisle that was one of only two games I went to!)
So we started off best of friends and it was a rather glowing survey.
 
I've not had one zoom or in person since June 2021 👌 I have seen that tick box but never tick it, may not be suitable when the time comes depending on customer, imagine going back to a 2 year old job for a customer you may not have worked for since, just weird 😅
Huh! Same (October 2021 last one). All my assessments then and before there were no issues with, got on well with the inspectors (had a couple of different ones over the years), good technical discussions, biscuits etc. Wouldn't surprise me if they do a risk assessment based on past performance and use that to determine "date of next inspection" - just like we do with EICRs I guess.
 
How is it supposed to work with three jobs, you cant say to your customer can you stay at home for the day but we might not even bother showing up. Also we have mainly done insurance work in council type houses this year, I cant rock up to one of them at random, apart from not knowing the tenants they could well be crackheads. Choosing three jobs this year will certainly be a challenge.
 
@oscar21 totally agree, it's a bit of a mare with some customers especially after a few months has passed, and you are bringing a complete stranger to their castle!
I do maybe 10 domestic jobs a year and sometimes struggle for 1 recent one to show them.

Tbf the assessor I had this year said he will be my new assessor from now on and didn't mind if I took him to see an agricultural or commercial job instead!

I think @Dustydazzler had the best idea, they should be over zoom or similar, or a video of the job you are doing!
 
Sorry for thread resurrection, but this seems as good a place as any for someone searching for the answer to this. Just had my "annual" Napit assessment this morning (previous one in 2021), and can offer the following as a bit of a brain dump:

- most of the notifiable jobs I did, I didn't tick the box that said "I consent to using this job for assessment". There were no issues with not consenting to anything in advance.

- the assessor contacted me a week ago by email, with a list of things he needed to see, including 3 addresses. The requirement was "2 new circuits". A board change on its own is not sufficient, although a board change with some other work (additions and alterations) would probably be ok.

- he was happy to see whichever one I suggested, particularly as it was close, and the most interesting one.

- I had prepped the customer for this chosen job about the possibility of assessment in the future, at the time I was doing the job (a few months ago), and when I booked the date in (a month or two ago), asked him to agree to let me and the assessor on site. As a sweetner, I always offer my client an hour or two of free labour as a thank you for agreeing to use their job in the assessment... I figure they're giving up part of a morning for us to do our thing, I can give the same back as a thank you. Also, I say that it's actually a good thing that my work is being checked, gives them more peace of mind.

- I asked the clients of the other two "backup jobs" if we could potentially come round, but stressed it was very unlikely that we actually would. As soon as my assessor confirmed the job we'd be seeing, I let them know we weren't coming round.

- the multi-choice technical questions were in 2 parts - one on the Wiring Regs, the other on the Building Regs. The first set are basically like a mini "18th Edition" exam (C&G 2382), with a couple of questions from Part 7, one from Appendix 4, and the others from the main bit of the Regs. The Building Regs questions were harder, as most were from parts other than Part P - a couple of questions from Part A (structure), one each from Parts F (ventillation), L (fuel and power), and M (access to and use of buildings). Although one of the questions I could answer from "The Electrician's Guide to the Building Regs" book (about depth of chases), the other ones I had to actually go into the Approved Documents to find the answers. So although they ask that you have access to the Part P Approved Doc, you're gonna need access to the other parts as well to answer the questions.

- one thing he didn't ask for in advance, but wanted to see, was evidence of CPD (continual professional development). I was able to do it verbally and there were no issues, but he said that the way things are going, they are more likely to ask for a log of this in the future - short description of what it was, e.g. article in Professional Electrician / talk at Elex / online discussion on Electrician's Forum / looking up datasheets for a job / technical enquiry with Wylex or whoever... what it was about, and roughly how long. He indicated that on average, over the year, about an hour a month (or more) is about right. He was happy this year to just have a discussion, but I'll start making a note of stuff in the future, to show at a future assessment.

- always offer coffee and biscuits, and always have paperwork ready. This is the main thing.
 
Reading the above post for the CPD element, it would be helpful if on this site you could access how many times and for how long you have browsed?
 
A bit disingenuous there Brian.

I think it will probably be knowing the parts of the building regulations that apply to an electricians work i.e. height of sockets and switch's not just standard, but in part M of the regulations, where cables are allowed to be run, Part P, cutting/notching of joists and drilling holes for cables that sort of thing, not the whole building Regulations and if the Electrician is not sure of what applies they need to know where to get the information.
 
Sorry for thread resurrection, but this seems as good a place as any for someone searching for the answer to this. Just had my "annual" Napit assessment this morning (previous one in 2021), and can offer the following as a bit of a brain dump:

- most of the notifiable jobs I did, I didn't tick the box that said "I consent to using this job for assessment". There were no issues with not consenting to anything in advance.

- the assessor contacted me a week ago by email, with a list of things he needed to see, including 3 addresses. The requirement was "2 new circuits". A board change on its own is not sufficient, although a board change with some other work (additions and alterations) would probably be ok.

- he was happy to see whichever one I suggested, particularly as it was close, and the most interesting one.

- I had prepped the customer for this chosen job about the possibility of assessment in the future, at the time I was doing the job (a few months ago), and when I booked the date in (a month or two ago), asked him to agree to let me and the assessor on site. As a sweetner, I always offer my client an hour or two of free labour as a thank you for agreeing to use their job in the assessment... I figure they're giving up part of a morning for us to do our thing, I can give the same back as a thank you. Also, I say that it's actually a good thing that my work is being checked, gives them more peace of mind.

- I asked the clients of the other two "backup jobs" if we could potentially come round, but stressed it was very unlikely that we actually would. As soon as my assessor confirmed the job we'd be seeing, I let them know we weren't coming round.

- the multi-choice technical questions were in 2 parts - one on the Wiring Regs, the other on the Building Regs. The first set are basically like a mini "18th Edition" exam (C&G 2382), with a couple of questions from Part 7, one from Appendix 4, and the others from the main bit of the Regs. The Building Regs questions were harder, as most were from parts other than Part P - a couple of questions from Part A (structure), one each from Parts F (ventillation), L (fuel and power), and M (access to and use of buildings). Although one of the questions I could answer from "The Electrician's Guide to the Building Regs" book (about depth of chases), the other ones I had to actually go into the Approved Documents to find the answers. So although they ask that you have access to the Part P Approved Doc, you're gonna need access to the other parts as well to answer the questions.

- one thing he didn't ask for in advance, but wanted to see, was evidence of CPD (continual professional development). I was able to do it verbally and there were no issues, but he said that the way things are going, they are more likely to ask for a log of this in the future - short description of what it was, e.g. article in Professional Electrician / talk at Elex / online discussion on Electrician's Forum / looking up datasheets for a job / technical enquiry with Wylex or whoever... what it was about, and roughly how long. He indicated that on average, over the year, about an hour a month (or more) is about right. He was happy this year to just have a discussion, but I'll start making a note of stuff in the future, to show at a future assessment.

- always offer coffee and biscuits, and always have paperwork ready. This is the main thing.
Extremely useful stuff Steve, thankyou!
 
Reading the above post for the CPD element, it would be helpful if on this site you could access how many times and for how long you have browsed?
Closest to that we could get is show how many posts you've made each month and keep a number updated. Maybe 10mins per post for some who might read and search quick, mayne 20mins per post for a newer member who's finding their way around?

If I start collecting even more data I'd fall under even more restrictions somewhere down the line!
 
How many times you visit multiplied by five mins sounds about my level, except I then get more notifications and keep coming back.
 

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