Need some advice please

[NotGettingAnyZsFaction]

Hello,

I'm retired from the game but decided to drop in and ask the good folks here a few questions regarding issues a family member is having. Hope someone can help.

My wife's cousin has just signed a lease for a property.
They haven't occupied the property as it needs cosmetic work doing.

The decorator comes and plugs in his wallpaper stripper and the power trips, and keeps tripping on all the sockets he tries.
He thinks the paper stripper is faulty so buys a new one, same thing happens and happens again with his kettle and other equipment.

The electrical certificate shows test results as 'passed' with a few Zs and R1+R2 tests but shows the installation is 'unsatisfactory' One snag with that, there is nothing on the cert that explains why the installation is unsatisfactory.

I take a nosey at the sockets and there are old red and black cables mixed with new colours. At first glance it looks like a ring main. Then I remove another few sockets and there are old coloured single 2.5mm cables one the one supposed ring main.

Without testing this suggests there are two radials in one RCBO with new coloured cables added on with JB's. Both 2.5 cables at the consumer unit are red and black. The lighting circuit has three old coloured 1mm cables in one 6A RCBO. The consumer is new-ish but has been opened up that many times the fixing screws for the board face have been turned to mince meat leaving it almost impossible to gain access (took a while to remove)
This along with the new 10mm earth bond to the incoming polythene water mains pipe made me think the local handyman had been in.

It needs a rewire but the landlord insists the Electrician who issued the 'unsatisfactory' certificate give a quote along with other Electricians they've asked to quote for the job.
Is this guy incompetent or just plain lazy when it comes to filling out certificates, and would you ask him to quote for a job?

Thanks.

 

[telectrix]

condemn the building and walk away knowing you at least tried

defeatist.

 

[elsparko]

defeatist.

its saturday evening

 

[telectrix]

its saturday evening

OMG. and it's past beer o'clock. brb.

 

[elsparko]

tell the owner that there is ghosts/aliens in the building and it should be sealed off, advise they call derek acora

 

[elsparko]

 

[Wilko]

A bit different from Mary, Mary Quite Contrary ...

 

[telectrix]

Mary Hinge?

 

[elsparko]

Mary Hinge?

not sure on her surname but we do know what she loves

 

[PEG]

Somewhere,on another forum,a "spark" is asking why a board he fitted,in an old property,is letting go on the sockets,when loaded up...

He needs answers,due to a lease being imminent...

 

[Octopus]

For the benefit of Joe Public reading this thread this, its worth remembering:

• Post 2015 an EICR is a document containing 8 plus pages.
• Removing "random" cables from breakers does not constitute any form of formal testing.
• In my experience, socket circuits which are rings are more likely to have issues with poor connections, which make them "appear" to be radials - only proper testing can tell.
• If in doubt about the report, ask the contractor in writing for clarification and / or ask for a 2nd opinion.
• Asking random questions on a internet forum isn't likely to give definitive answers. Only site visits can do this
• Photographs help
• Costs vary tremendously across the UK, but a and EICR costing less than £100 probably isn't worth the paper its written on.

Thanks for reading

 

[westward10]

Where is there a requirement for eight pages.

 

[Octopus]

Where is there a requirement for eight pages.

I suppose that depends on what forms you use... the BYB condenses the information into 4 pages, plus the schedule of inspections so that makes 5 pages .

I use Shineforms, which means a site with 1 board and up to 12 circuits will be 8 pages ...

How many pages do your forms have?

 

[westward10]

Assuming one schedule the minimum is seven.

 

[Octopus]

Assuming one schedule the minimum is seven.

So 4 more than the OP claims to have then.

7 or more than......

 

[wsoppitt]

Sound to me that the issued eicr contains only the 2 pages of installation details and the schedule of test results and omitted the several pages of schedule of inspections thus having a failed outcome without any knowledge of what's contravined regs. Put another way the landlord doesn't want you to see all the remedial codes but cannot change the unsatisfactory result on the installation details pages without it being questioned.
That's my opinion anyway whether its right or wrong.