Neutrals to switches ??

[mark28118]

Some guy at works tyrying to tell us that your no longer allowed to bring a neutral to the switch if the switch isn't double pole, but he says he cant find it in the regs....is he talking sh1te ? Where does it state this if he isn't...

Cheers

 

[Doomed]

I know that I am hacked off with customer supplied light fittings that don't have a terminal for the permanant live.
I also know that a renovation I had to take over after the first fix (the 'sparky' went to Australia) where he fed the neutrals to the switch points so that they ended up being junction points was a real pain to sort out - feed in, feed out, supply to light and in 2 cases supply to fan isolator.

 

[telectrix]

and those that do have the terminal for perm. L, you can't get 3 1.5mm in so you fit a bigger terminal block and then you can't get the fitting on the ceiling. GRRRRRRR.

 

[mackers]

hagar make a single pole plate switch with a loop neutral terminal on it!

neutrals at switch make 2nd fix far easier 1 twin at light which is a god send when your given fancy fittings with tiny terminals. less chance of finding loop feeds on connector in ceiling space!

safer as less time spent on step ladders ! whether you class it as a joint box or a switch its still assecable as required for inspection!

down side less calls from diyers saying i took light down and connected all the reds together and all the blacks together but it still blows the fuse!lol

 

[Knobhead]

down side less calls from diyers saying i took light down and connected all the reds together and all the blacks together but it still blows the fuse!lol

Just wait until they change the switch. The lights on all the time, but if I switch it on it blows the fuse!!

 

[DaveyD]

hagar make a single pole plate switch with a loop neutral terminal on it!

neutrals at switch make 2nd fix far easier 1 twin at light which is a god send when your given fancy fittings with tiny terminals. less chance of finding loop feeds on connector in ceiling space!

safer as less time spent on step ladders ! whether you class it as a joint box or a switch its still assecable as required for inspection!

down side less calls from diyers saying i took light down and connected all the reds together and all the blacks together but it still blows the fuse!lol

Agreed, I wonder if the resistance of some sparks to loop neutrals is down to being too simple now for DIY light fitting change?

 

[Crackedwolf]

might as well get in as well.........??????

a neutral to the switch if the switch isn't double pole, but he says he cant find it in the regs....is he


reply was in reference to the above

for extra toilet reading
chapter 53 of the regs, 537.1.2, 537.1.4,537.2.1.1,537.2.2.1
530.3.2

neutral should not be independently switched or fused!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

a neutral to the switch if the switch isn't double pole, but he says he cant find it in the regs....is he


reply was in reference to the above

for extra toilet reading
chapter 53 of the regs, 537.1.2, 537.1.4,537.2.1.1,537.2.2.1
530.3.2

neutral should not be independently switched or fused!

still confused mate..under what circumstances in any of this thread has it been suggested the N may be independantly switched or fused?

 

[Haydn564]

Just come onto the forum and I believe you have answered a question I was going to ask. ie
i am going to wire an outside security light at my daughters house. I retired as a spark 18 years ago so am a bit green on present regs. The light is going to be on its own circuit and I intended running a 1.5 T&E to the switch and the same from there out to the light connecting the neutral at the switch position though a connector. I am ok in doing that these days.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Just come onto the forum and I believe you have answered a question I was going to ask. ie
i am going to wire an outside security light at my daughters house. I retired as a spark 18 years ago so am a bit green on present regs. The light is going to be on its own circuit and I intended running a 1.5 T&E to the switch and the same from there out to the light connecting the neutral at the switch position though a connector. I am ok in doing that these days.

In a word - YES.

 

[ArseyDee]

Just come onto the forum and I believe you have answered a question I was going to ask. ie
i am going to wire an outside security light at my daughters house. I retired as a spark 18 years ago so am a bit green on present regs. The light is going to be on its own circuit and I intended running a 1.5 T&E to the switch and the same from there out to the light connecting the neutral at the switch position though a connector. I am ok in doing that these days.

You're perfectly up to date I'd say!!

 

[Darkwood]

welcome to the forum

 

[JulianC]

Just come onto the forum and I believe you have answered a question I was going to ask. ie
i am going to wire an outside security light at my daughters house. I retired as a spark 18 years ago so am a bit green on present regs. The light is going to be on its own circuit and I intended running a 1.5 T&E to the switch and the same from there out to the light connecting the neutral at the switch position though a connector. I am ok in doing that these days.

Hmm, good use of forum search function, coherent sentences, succinctly put question, plenty of detail, decent grammar and spelling. Could a moderator please move this to the DIY forum? This chap is clearly no electrician :rofl:

 

[R G]

Neutrals at Switches!!
Not a problem, far better than having a junction box in an a place you cant get at , and with light fittings not having the space for loop in wiring, makes testing and fault finding far easier than dropping some off the light fittings you find these days .

 

[Octopus]

Neutrals at Switches!!
Not a problem, far better than having a junction box in an a place you cant get at , and with light fittings not having the space for loop in wiring, makes testing and fault finding far easier than dropping some off the light fittings you find these days .

Which obviously nobody does these days, unless its MF!

 

[Braiz]

Nice handy terminal in a light switch

Hager - sollysta