New CU on dno's board

[golfpaul]

As the title says.
Old fusebox in a cabinet in kitchen, dno's board fills the cabinet, old skeleton fusebox currently located just above the board.
Is it a no no to mount the new cu on their board?

 

[Engineer54]

What sort of cabinet are we talking about here??

Skeleton CU's are normally only found in made for purpose semi flush ''Mantel'' metal cabinets...If that's the case, then you need to purchase a retro fit Wylex, Hager, Crabtree, etc 17th ed Skeleton CU.

......And NO you Can't mount a standard Cu within the central DNO's cutout/meter section of these cabinets!!

 

[golfpaul]

The old board is currently fitted in a cabinet, approx 500mm wide by 750 tall and 250 deep, the board is at the top of this cabinet, the dnos board fills the remaining part and contains the meter and cutout

 

[Engineer54]

The old board is currently fitted in a cabinet, approx 500mm wide by 750 tall and 250 deep, the board is at the top of this cabinet, the dnos board fills the remaining part and contains the meter and cutout

That sounds very much like a metal ''Mantel Cabinet''!! Direct replacement Skeleton CU's are available to replace the old Wylex 3036 Skeleton CU....

 

[golfpaul]

Thanks Engineer - this is the board in question:



Could you possibly suggest a direct replacement for this, i am not particularly au fait with these!

Cheers.

 

[Engineer54]

Check with any of the bigger wholesalers. It looks as if you have a duel CU unit there, maybe one for electric central heating (storage heaters).
Wylex Hager, Crabtree and maybe others make direct replacement skeleton CU's to fit Mantel cabinets, check manufacturers on-line catalogues....

 

[driverman]

Thanks Engineer - this is the board in question:



Could you possibly suggest a direct replacement for this, i am not particularly au fait with these!

Cheers.

Possibly do away with existing and if room site new con-unit directly above the cabinet. How are the existing cables installed?

 

[golfpaul]

Yeah it is a duel unit, although only a handful of circuits are now used.
Cables disappear directly behind the cu plastered in.
Mounting this on dnos board would be so straightforward, such a shame i cant!

 

[Engineer54]

Possibly do away with existing and if room site new con-unit directly above the cabinet. How are the existing cables installed?

Why the hell would anyone want to do that FFS, when you have a perfectly suitable provision within the metal mantel cabinet??

 

[driverman]

Why the hell would anyone want to do that FFS, when you have a perfectly suitable provision within the metal mantel cabinet??

Just a thought. I've seen it done many times before. Yes, if suitable replacement can be found and can be fitted in same location..go for it.

 

[driverman]

Another one I saw just last week as it happens was in a club which had an old flush con-unit (think possibly old green crabtree c50 unit?) . Anyway the new Wylex split-board had been fitted directly in front of the old con-unit. The unit covered about 3/4 of the old unit. You could still see the old door flap.

 

[Engineer54]

Just a thought. I've seen it done many times before. Yes, if suitable replacement can be found and can be fitted in same location..go for it.

There ARE suitable direct replacements available, .....and always has been. Just because some lazy/cheap so and so make a pigs ear of a simple CU replacement job, doesn't mean it's all right to copy him!!

Another one I saw just last week as it happens was in a club which had an old flush con-unit (think possibly old green crabtree c50 unit?) . Anyway the new Wylex split-board had been fitted directly in front of the old con-unit. The unit covered about 3/4 of the old unit. You could still see the old door flap.

Sounds like another pigs ear of a job to me!!!

 

[driverman]

There ARE suitable direct replacements available, .....and always has been. Just because some lazy/cheap so and so make a pigs ear of a simple CU replacement job, doesn't mean it's all right to copy him!!



Sounds like another pigs ear of a job to me!!!

Exactly..it amused me whilst waiting for my pint. I'm generally not into taking pics with phone however, if i had my phone with me on this particular occasion i would of and shown here.

 

[Englishman]

What sort of cabinet are we talking about here??

Skeleton CU's are normally only found in made for purpose semi flush ''Mantel'' metal cabinets...If that's the case, then you need to purchase a retro fit Wylex, Hager, Crabtree, etc 17th ed Skeleton CU.

......And NO you Can't mount a standard Cu within the central DNO's cutout/meter section of these cabinets!!

You can't move their meters and board either when they're in stupid positions which mean that it's impossible to mount your new, much wider board. Just like you can't cut their meter/fuse seals...

Yeah, never do any of that.

 

[Engineer54]

You can't move their meters and board either when they're in stupid positions which mean that it's impossible to mount your new, much wider board. Just like you can't cut their meter/fuse seals...

Yeah, never do any of that.

Errrrr, the width of the replacement Skeleton CU's are governed by the width of the cabinet!!

Well i've installed 3 such Skeleton boards (Parents house, Sisters house and a friends house) 2 Crabtree boards and one Wylex board. None of them were any problem installing whatsoever!!!

I take it that you have at one time or another, just mounted a standard CU above the Mantel cupboard rather than doing the job properly with a Skeleton CU. I bet it looked wonderful in the customers house/flat!!

 

[Englishman]

Errrrr, the width of the replacement Skeleton CU's are governed by the width of the cabinet!!

Well i've installed 3 such Skeleton boards (Parents house, Sisters house and a friends house) 2 Crabtree boards and one Wylex board. None of them were any problem installing whatsoever!!!

I take it that you have at one time or another, just mounted a standard CU above the Mantel cupboard rather than doing the job properly with a Skeleton CU. I bet it looked wonderful in the customers house/flat!!

I wasn't talking about skeleton units, nor did I mention any at all.

And no I have never taken a board outside of a mantel unit.

 

[Engineer54]

I wasn't talking about skeleton units, nor did I mention any at all.

And no I have never taken a board outside of a mantel unit.

So what are you saying then, that you have installed a conventional CU inside the cabinet, in the space allocated for the DNO or What??

 

[infinity]

Are you saying you cannot mount a DB in the dno cupboard? Rubbish it's your property, your house they just use that particular area to mount there meter / incoming supply nothing they can do about it.

 

[golfpaul]

Thanks for all your info regarding the skeleton boards.
Incidentally i never got the job, apparently BG changed it for him for free.
Can't really compete with that can i!

 

[dingledong]

You could have offered the customer £50 to let you do it

 

[Engineer54]

Are you saying you cannot mount a DB in the dno cupboard? Rubbish it's your property, your house they just use that particular area to mount there meter / incoming supply nothing they can do about it.

Maybe maybe not!! I can vagually remember a binding agreement that the old Regional boards came too, to allow these Mantel cabinets to enclose their cutout and metering equipment. The agreement was that an angled mounting plate was provided for the service cut-out and a fire resistant board be provided to the centre section for the use of Electricity board use only (eg, metering etc).

I can still remember a EEB (Eastern Electricity Board) notice on that fire board, basically stating the very same thing!!!

 

[Englishman]

So what are you saying then, that you have installed a conventional CU inside the cabinet, in the space allocated for the DNO or What??

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MANTEL UNITS.

Jesus Christ.

 

[Engineer54]

Then make yourself clear on what you ARE talking about!! The subject matter of this thread IS about Mantel Cabinets and Skeleton CU's FFS!!

 

[Englishman]

Then make yourself clear on what you ARE talking about!! The subject matter of this thread IS about Mantel Cabinets and Skeleton CU's FFS!!

And it is also about mounting CUs on DNO boards, which is what I'm talking about, it's not my fault you rushed into trying to be funny, take the **** and assuming that I was a Electrical Trainee talking about my roughness.

And that was probably down to thinking that my comment about the crap eal testing qualification was meant as truth and not sarcasm.

 

[shanky887614]

Are you saying you cannot mount a DB in the dno cupboard? Rubbish it's your property, your house they just use that particular area to mount there meter / incoming supply nothing they can do about it.

what about all the properties where the dno gear is on a wooden board in the kitchen? cant you mount it next to it lol

 

[Engineer54]

And it is also about mounting CUs on DNO boards, which is what I'm talking about, it's not my fault you rushed into trying to be funny, take the **** and assuming that I was a Electrical Trainee talking about my roughness.

And that was probably down to thinking that my comment about the crap eal testing qualification was meant as truth and not sarcasm.

In this thread up until you posted, ONLY in relation to Mantel Cabinets!! As i stated above Make Yourself CLEAR on what you are talking about, if and when you are straying away from the Subject/Topic matter!!

When you post a Sarcasm, try adding a smiley or something. As i also stated above, there are far too Many here where that kind of statement would be actually their real belief. Adding a smiley would take you out of that camp!! lol!!