New Extension regs, 2391?

[fantomcat_2k]

well, I don't really see what the problem is?
the bloke is an old electrician who has been away for the installing side for a number of years, currently works in panel wiring, holds 17th edition, and 2391 and does not have a reconised apprenticeship.

How can I make that more clear?

 

[Octopus]

well, I don't really see what the problem is?
the bloke is an old electrician who has been away for the installing side for a number of years, currently works in panel wiring, holds 17th edition, and 2391 and does not have a reconised apprenticeship.

How can I make that more clear?

So is 40 the new "old"??

Rollocks.

 

[123]

well, I don't really see what the problem is?
the bloke is an old electrician who has been away for the installing side for a number of years, currently works in panel wiring, holds 17th edition, and 2391 and does not have a reconised apprenticeship.

How can I make that more clear?

By not talking nonsense?

This "other spark" is you, or as you describe yourself in a post some 6 years ago (I guess you added the 17th qual since).
http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk.../3389-becoming-electrcian-already-2391-a.html

 

[Octopus]

well, I don't really see what the problem is?

I am an older electrician who has been away for the installing side for a number of years, currently works in panel wiring, holds 17th edition, and 2391 and does not have a reconised apprenticeship.

I've corrected that for you!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

My understanding, is that an electrician is anyone (whether qualified or not) who undertakes electrical work for remuneration.
There has been some reference made to a recognised Apprenticeship, but I am not sure of the context.
I understand that the wiring is to an extension.
Has planning permission been applied for and awarded for the extension?
If yes, did the application include any wiring?
If yes, then the requirements of Part P have been satisfied, and the person who conducted the electrical work is not required to be a member of a Competent Persons Scheme and is not required to self certify.
It may be that the person who conducted the electrical work, did not notify Building Control to arrange inspections at the required phases of the construction?
However, I would have expected that an EIC issued by someone who holds the 2391, to be acceptable to any Building Control.

 

[Diddy]

Look this is very straight forward. The 40yo "electrician" would/should have went through a C&G based apprenticeship which at 40 (If he started at 16) would have him training from 91-95....ish.
Apprenticeships were still C&G and I believe the NVQ3 was in force from 95 onwards but was available many years before.
C&G 2360 Part A B and C rings a bell with AM1, AM2 and any addons - 2391 ect. This would have been during the 15th Edition regs.
So there is the background for a potential 40ish yo spark......I would love to know what was/is different now lol.
Either the OP has mixed up the details or something just simply isnt true.
Another point worth noting is the fact that ANYBODY could in theory test and inspect....as long as they are competent......maybe pre part p this guy was deemed competent but for silly reasons they are saying now they are not.

 

[mechelec]

Why lie ? 123 has rumbled you well and truly.

 

[Midwest]

Why lie ? 123 has rumbled you well and truly.

fantomcat, if this is the case, then you will have only one or two options to get your completion certificate from the council;

1) Tell the council you have completed the work without being an approved installer under a governments competent persons scheme. They will arrange an inspection, testing of the installation and charge you a fee, typically £400 + vat.
2) See if you can arrange yourself for a scheme registered electrician to carry the tests etc for you and issue a certificate.
3) Do nothing and hope the problem goes away. Purchase an 'Indemnity Insurance', for when you sell, but as the LPA know you have had an extension, don't think that ones a goer.

Think option 1) is the simplest, if not the cheapest. But you did save a few bob doing the work for yourself, if the extension was for yourself?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If the extension had planning permission, and the wiring was included in with the application, then notification has been made.

 

[Midwest]

If the electrical work is not carried out by an approved installer, then you have to apply to the lbc before starting work. The lbc may then employ an approved installer to check the work as it progress, bit like they come have a look at the various stages of the building work.

You would need to check with the local building control if non approved installer was used, and hadn't made that submission in the building regs application.