New Extension regs, 2391?

[fantomcat_2k]

Tell the idiot to go and learn how to do his job properly and get his facts in order. He sounds like he falls into the category of "A little knowledge is dangerous", he knows a bit and thinks he knows it, when he actually knows sod all.

So would that mean that the 2391 and 17th Editions qualifies him as a competent person?

 

[rompling]

Ok .....
So why are you getting involved with all this , are you sure your not this sparky that your speaking about in the 3 rd person - only kidding !
Building inspector is a total jobs-worth but like many councils and their officials have been brainwashed by the NICEIC ,that only scheme members are competent to carry out electrical work
Which as we all know , is total Rubbish !

 

[UNG]

If a building inspector doesn't understand what Part P is what hope have we got

 

[Des 56]

The chances are high that if there is an extension and building control are involved,they will have been paid inspection fees by the house owner
As far as I know,those paid inspections also include the electrics

It would then seem to be building controls responsibility to test and inspect what they have already been paid to carry out

 

[NDG Elecs]

When the plans for the extension were submitted was the electrical work to be done also included within the application. If they were not included this may be leading to the problem. I dealt with Sunderland LABC numerous times before I got registered and always found them to be reasonable.... With exception to their fees that is!

You need to establish the next step if they won't accept an EIC. This may be through a process called regularisation. It sounds to me that they may have got the hump because the works were done before informing them. They don't tend to like that order of operations.

If the electrical works were included in the application they should accept his qualifications and an EIC without a problem.

 

[NDG Elecs]

Why can't I delete an accidental duplicate post!?!??

 

[Welchyboy1]

As the gay owl says, in the building notice thats submitted BEFORE any work takes place there is a section which covers inspection of electrics done by unregistered people

he has obviously not filled this in and paid the additional charge

its not an included fee within the standard building notice and has to be added on

looks like the sparky has made a mistake, as he needs to show the 1st fix stage of the job in this case, like other building works....ooopppss

why are you posting this and not the electrician himself?

chances are you will have to get another registered spark in to do an eicr now, thats what they do around my way

 

[fantomcat_2k]

As the gay owl says, in the building notice thats submitted BEFORE any work takes place there is a section which covers inspection of electrics done by unregistered people

he has obviously not filled this in and paid the additional charge

its not an included fee within the standard building notice and has to be added on

looks like the sparky has made a mistake, as he needs to show the 1st fix stage of the job in this case, like other building works....ooopppss

why are you posting this and not the electrician himself?

chances are you will have to get another registered spark in to do an eicr now, thats what they do around my way

Hi, I was posting this because my neghbour doesn't have the interent, and I;m still in training, so the opinions of people here are quite useful for me.

I spoke with him later last night, and it looks like building control won't accept his 2391 as being a competent person.
Since he is not registered with any memebership bodies (like the NIC or Napit).

He is about 40+ years old and has asked what he can do to get a reconsied modern apprenticeship, would he have to go through the same appprentiship as me C+G 2365?
he said that since this is a full course, he would not be able to support himself if for that period of time.

Is there anything else he can do about this?

From what I gather he's been working in panel wiring for a number of years, and my training provider has said the 2391 is now obsolete, is this correct?

 

[telectrix]

2391 is discontinued. it is still a valid qualification.

 

[Engineer54]

Hi, I was posting this because my neghbour doesn't have the interent, and I;m still in training, so the opinions of people here are quite useful for me.

I spoke with him later last night, and it looks like building control won't accept his 2391 as being a competent person.
Since he is not registered with any memebership bodies (like the NIC or Napit).

He is about 40+ years old and has asked what he can do to get a reconsied modern apprenticeship, would he have to go through the same appprentiship as me C+G 2365?

he said that since this is a full course, he would not be able to support himself if for that period of time.

Is there anything else he can do about this?

From what I gather he's been working in panel wiring for a number of years, and my training provider has said the 2391 is now obsolete, is this correct?

The C&G 2391 is basically the new C&G 2394 and 2395 combined!! All they have done is split the 2391 into two qualifications. The C&G 2391 IS and forever more, ''Accepted'' as the equivalent of holding both of the new qualifications. Some would even say it was a more onerous course than the new qualification numbers!!

EDIT... The crazy thing about all this crap, is these LABC's will instantly accept an EIC from a guy that was stocking shelves at Tesco's 5 weeks ago before taking a shame of an electrical course, that actually satisfies them as being competent according to the likes of NICEIC etc...
Make sense of that if you can, .....Only in the UK Aaarg!!!

 

[Silly Sausage]

.... and my training provider has said the 2391 is now obsolete, is this correct?

Yeah, I bet they do, and how much do they want to charge you for the new courses?
Con artists. Tell them to do one.

 

[Octopus]

This thread is so confusing. The "electrician" is about 40, has a 2391, used to work for the Council as a spark, does his own extension, ......

something doesn't add up.

 

[Des 56]

This thread is so confusing. The "electrician" is about 40, has a 2391, used to work for the Council as a spark, does his own extension, ......

something doesn't add up.

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I think whats happened is that the spark is quite old, and possibly the regulations or requirements for building control have been updated.

However he does hold the 2391 and 17th Edition with updates, but due to his age, I don't think he was actually given a modern apprenticship certificate.

He mentioned that they did things differently back then.




He is about 40! :wheelchair: 25 years before, I must have been some kind of a future type apprentice.I had indentures

 

[fantomcat_2k]

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I think whats happened is that the spark is quite old, and possibly the regulations or requirements for building control have been updated.

However he does hold the 2391 and 17th Edition with updates, but due to his age, I don't think he was actually given a modern apprenticship certificate.

He mentioned that they did things differently back then.




He is about 40! :wheelchair: 25 years before, I must have been some kind of a future type apprentice.I had indentures

Yeah I think this is generally the case, or at least it's what he has been describing to me.
You couldn't make this sort of stuff up, and I don't think he's lying about anything.

Obviously due to my age, I am not aware of the qualifications back in the 70's or 80's. My mother talks about 0 levels, but I don't really know what they are either.

Anyways, If he doesn't have the paper work for a modern apprenticeship, is there anything else he can do without having to undertake a 3 year apprentiship?

I can imagine he will be learnng stuff he already knows!
Oh, he does hold a 17th Edition also. I remember seeing both these certificates myself.

I said I would find this information out for him, but I'm not really sure what I can say to him?

 

[Octopus]

Yeah I think this is generally the case, or at least it's what he has been describing to me.
You couldn't make this sort of stuff up, and I don't think he's lying about anything.

Obviously due to my age, I am not aware of the qualifications back in the 70's or 80's. My mother talks about 0 levels, but I don't really know what they are either.

Anyways, If he doesn't have the paper work for a modern apprenticeship, is there anything else he can do without having to undertake a 3 year apprentiship?

I can imagine he will be learnng stuff he already knows!
Oh, he does hold a 17th Edition also. I remember seeing both these certificates myself.

I said I would find this information out for him, but I'm not really sure what I can say to him?

Come clean and get him to post whats actually happened. I don't believe this crxp