new reqs

Farmelectrics · Dec 29, 2014

has anyone pre ordered the new books yet and weres the cheapest place to get them was tempted to order mine on amazon £130 for the reqs,on site guide, gn3 your thoughts chaps

David M · Dec 31, 2014

JD6400 said:
Never been NICEIC commercially , only on their PV side for another company I helped out . But had just assumed it would be required .

there is nothing wrong with proving using some sort of evidence, that a person is very competent to inspect and test and be able to verify the results.

After all, the primary reason for an I&T is to prove that the installation is safe to use. That it has been installed using the correct equipment and accessories and if any future fault occurred any safety devices would operate in such a manner as to reduce the risk of injury or death.

This I feel is quite a responsibility and the person confirming the safety of the installation should be well aware of any faults and be able to recognise potential problems that may cause harm. This requires understanding of how the safety equipment operates and what is required for them to operate efficiently and correctly.

JD6400 · Dec 31, 2014

I agree David , But I would expect at least 2391 as the bench mark . Even then I would hope that a in depth understanding would be proved as well, to gain a QS position .
I know ECA made me work for it !

David M · Dec 31, 2014

JD6400 said:
I agree David , But I would expect at least 2391 as the bench mark . Even then I would hope that a in depth understanding would be proved as well, to gain a QS position .
I know ECA made me work for it !

Yes and that bench mark was adopted then discarded, for what I believe was greed. Which of course is only my personal opinion.

Safety should always take presidency, but I'm afraid even in this day and age money makes the world go round.

JD6400 · Dec 31, 2014

David M said:
Yes and that bench mark was adopted then discarded, for what I believe was greed. Which of course is only my personal opinion.

Safety should always take presidency, but I'm afraid even in this day and age money makes the world go round.

I know !

Guest125 · Dec 31, 2014

JD6400 said:
I agree David , But I would expect at least 2391 as the bench mark . Even then I would hope that a in depth understanding would be proved as well, to gain a QS position .
I know ECA made me work for it !

But then the ECA give automatic membership with a NICEIC accreditation.

JD6400 · Dec 31, 2014

UKESRail said:
But then the ECA give automatic membership with a NICEIC accreditation.

How long has this been the case ?

Our once proud industry is on its knees

Anthony S · Dec 31, 2014

Risteard said:
2391 was introduced by the NICEIC for QSs or QMs but removed because too few were passing it. But it hasn't been required for a long, long time so I'm not sure why you are surprised about this?

They worked along side City & Guilds to produce the course/exams and like you say too few were passing it.

The membership would of really took a battering if they kept enforcing the requirement, that's why they move the goal posts to keep numbers on the registry.

I remember when they got so many thousands of DI packs ready thinking they were going to mop up, only to be told from the powers in Government they are not going down the Corgi (at the time but now Safe Gas) route and having only one registration body.

That's why all the other registration freeloaders got a shot at money for old rope the like of napit etc

Guest125 · Dec 31, 2014

JD6400 said:
How long has this been the case ?

Our once proud industry is on its knees

For as long as I know. You even get a nice welcome to the ECA letter when you join the NIC.

Leesparkykent · Dec 31, 2014

when i joined the the ECA, the inspector came out and watched me do a few tests and was only interested in seeing my NVQ3 and didnt care about any of my other qualifications.

Risteard · Dec 31, 2014

UKESRail said:
For as long as I know. You even get a nice welcome to the ECA letter when you join the NIC.

As I understand it, there is a "deemed to satisfy" route to ECA membership whereby NICEIC membership is one of the options. There is another option for those who aren't on any of these schemes (as indeed there is an ECA Certification Scheme).

There are, however, turnover requirements for ECA membership.

trev · Dec 31, 2014

David M said:
I believe that a good assessor should take note of someone's competence as presidency over their actual qualifications.

However, any electrician worth their salt should be able to inspect, test and interpret results. It's a fundamental part of the job and one which we are taught during our time.
JMO

johnsparks23 · Jan 1, 2015

Think if you join/sign-up with the IET you pay a Free and get future discounts on books etc..
my apprentice told me this, so it's probably complete ********

shanky887614 · Jan 1, 2015

johnsparks23 said:
Think if you join/sign-up with the IET you pay a Free and get future discounts on books etc..
my apprentice told me this, so it's probably complete ********

yes you get a discount but it costs £150 ish for it.

i registered at first as an apprentice for £20 but then the renewal was over £100.

my stepdad gets the mags free from work and a lot of it is boring so it doesnt usually get opened

johnsparks23 · Jan 1, 2015

Yes £20 is the fig I was told. Which works out okay with the discount on the regs and OSG. Can't see me rushing out to buy either, hardly looked at the BGB, accept in the update exam.

Engineer54 · Jan 1, 2015

Leesparkykent said:
when i joined the the ECA, the inspector came out and watched me do a few tests and was only interested in seeing my NVQ3 and didnt care about any of my other qualifications.

That sounds about right, putting too much faith in a qualification that is open to abuse from the unscrupulous, while the genuine qualifications are given at best a cursory glance!!!