ELECSA Certification Scheme NICEIC and ELECSA reject third party inspection scheme....

[Redvanman]

The certificate you use is a EICR which you can state that you were not the installer and not responsible for the installation just the testing.
This is exactly what LABC do.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

We're only talking within the scope of LABC notifiable work here, where it is illegal to do it and fail to notify.

whoos responsibility is it to notify any..well, notifyable work Nick?

 

[spark 68]

Any scheme getting involved with such a practise would be bringing all sorts of trouble on to their doorsteps in time , I should imagine whoever gets involved with it would not last too long , Don't know where you would stand with indemnity insurance , doubt if it would even cover you ,,,

Why would that be the case ?, apart from being against the scams vested interest that is.

We already have a sort of 3rd party notification now, for example where the previous spark is either not registered or has walked off the job and we are asked to provide an EICR for BC.

Although I am not defending 3rd party sign offs by any means I would LMFAO if the DCLG made it mandatory for the scams to provide this service.

 

[R G]

Well I am pleased to say I would not get involved with signing off someone else's work , there are ways around it with LABC as said with an eicr , but that to me is all that can be done ..

 

[spark 68]

Well I am pleased to say I would not get involved with signing off someone else's work , there are ways around it with LABC as said with an eicr , but that to me is all that can be done ..

Well no, neither do I Ray, but I have done the odd EICR for BC purposes.
The point is that the scams are not wanting this, not for safety reasons as they would have us believe, turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind.

The reason the DCLG wanted this in the first place was also about money, in saving LAs money by not having to do the inspections and tests theselves.
Most LABCs/BIs did not have enough sparks to do this, and had to pay for 3rd party electricians to come in and do it for them, which is no different to what was proposed in that the scams took over this responsibility.

The scams were (as far as I know) mulling it over to see if they could screw us (registered electricians) over for more money, if you were wanting this type of work, by offering additional courses,criteria and/or 'paid for' hoops to jump through etc., they must have calculated that they had more to lose than they would gain by doing it.

As always, follow the money.

 

[NickD]

The reason the DCLG wanted this in the first place was also about money, in saving LAs money by not having to do the inspections and tests theselves.
Most LABCs/BIs did not have enough sparks to do this, and had to pay for 3rd party electricians to come in and do it for them

One wonders why DCLG did not just let the LAs pass the actual costs onto the homeowner through more realistic charges?

 

[spark 68]

One wonders why DCLG did not just let the LAs pass the actual costs onto the homeowner through more realistic charges?

They sort of did try, by charging up to £500 + Vat (depending on LA), but as ever where bloated LAs are concerned it probably cost more in admin time/charges, so the premise behind the DCLG proposal was to look for cheaper options, ie. by shifting the whole lot on to us via the scams.

TBH, it is probably more trouble than it is worth for us, we would have to see what the DIYer/home owner was proposing to do first, then see it at first fix, second fix and then test it, chances are it would be cheaper to just do the job and let the DIYer/homeowner work alongside doing the labouring.

BC are/were not held to the same degree as responsibillty and stringent standards as we would be put under for effectively doing the same function, aka 'the blame game' should the $hit ever hit the fan.

 

[NDG Elecs]

Maybe there will be a new model form in the 18th edition to cover this. A cross between a EIC and a EICR form.....and probably 10 pages long....

I recently lost a £3000 job because I wouldn't sign off someone else's first fix....was a bit gutted.....until a week later I was asked to go ahead regardless....he probably couldn't find someone who would sign it off I guess so he came back to me.

If I could legally have signed it off I probably would have after a bl00dy good check of everything obviously, as ultimately it's nearly a months work I nearly lost.

 

[guest119]

The only way to do that is to make it illegal to work on electrical installations unless you are registered with a scheme of some sort otherwise what happens when a unregistered electrician does some work and not register it

You missed the most important bit!
Insert...'time served and'...above, before registered.

Boydy

 

[moospark]

Agree with the general consensus,,, but just finished a bar re-fit in toon, rough as, in my opinion. Lots of loose hanging connector block, bugger all testing, no sign of LABC. Oh yes, and all "time sWerved" Boydy. (No offence to your good self). BTW I was agency prostitute for second fix before handover.

 

[joe.ninety]

Agree with the general consensus,,, but just finished a bar re-fit in toon, rough as, in my opinion. Lots of loose hanging connector block, bugger all testing, no sign of LABC. Oh yes, and all "time sWerved" Boydy. (No offence to your good self). BTW I was agency prostitute for second fix before handover.

Agree with you completely, 'Time served' only proves that you SHOULD know what the hell you are doing, not that you'll actually do it that way. Judging by some of the supposed TS work I've come across, they should be 'Serving Time' instead. LOL

 

[Engineer54]

Agree with you completely, 'Time served' only proves that you SHOULD know what the hell you are doing, not that you'll actually do it that way. Judging by some of the supposed TS work I've come across, they should be 'Serving Time' instead. LOL

The difference being, the time served electrician will ''KNOW'' he's done some rough old work, whereas a electrical trainee or the 17 day Whizz Kid would far too often, not even be aware!! lol!!

There has always been a rough element within the electrical industry, the same as any other trade based industry. Mainly perpetrated by rough companies that will generally produce rough apprentices coming out of their time.