NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC Approved for Portable appliance testing??

[egginyourface]

Just took a look in the householder section of niceic and noticed that all fully approved sparks are registered for Portable appliance testing.

I thought you needed a separate assessment for this

 

[netblindpaul]

IF these are AC's & if you do PAT then this will be covered during your annual assessment and you will then be registered for this.
Well that is what happened to me anyway!

 

[egginyourface]

Ive never done PAT or even own a PAT but it shows my name as approved to do it

 

[netblindpaul]

Dunno then mate!

 

[egginyourface]

strange...

 

[Engineer54]

Tell me, ....What the hell need is there, for a qualified electrician to be ''approved'' to undertake a bloody Pat Test??

Has an electricians training really sunk that low?? Or do you believe everything that your being told, in that Pat testing is a specialty area that needs it's own C&G course!! ...hahaha!!!!

 

[netblindpaul]

E54,
The C&G course is centred around the CoP rather than the mechanics of PAT.
You have to do it to teach it as well!
The need is that insurers & clients require it, because many of them know no better!!!

How about this.
New client, says I'll have to get you a hi-vis to go into the factory as our insurance co demands that all personnel wear one on site.
Me, do you have many vehicle movements in the factory then?
Client, no we have on FLT and it can't get everywhere, but, we still have to wear them everywhere.
Me, Oh!

When I look around, wiring does not meet regs, thus law, machines do not meet statute law, Ins Co. not interested, happy obviously to cover that risk, but they demand that loose fitting Hi-Vis is worn when working around rotating machinery...

 

[ipf]

E54,
The C&G course is centred around the CoP rather than the mechanics of PAT.
You have to do it to teach it as well!
The need is that insurers & clients require it, because many of them know no better!!!

How about this.
New client, says I'll have to get you a hi-vis to go into the factory as our insurance co demands that all personnel wear one on site.
Me, do you have many vehicle movements in the factory then?
Client, no we have on FLT and it can't get everywhere, but, we still have to wear them everywhere.
Me, Oh!

When I look around, wiring does not meet regs, thus law, machines do not meet statute law, Ins Co. not interested, happy obviously to cover that risk, but they demand that loose fitting Hi-Vis is worn when working around rotating machinery...

That's so the machine can see you when it's spinning:yes:

 

[Engineer54]

E54,
The C&G course is centred around the CoP rather than the mechanics of PAT.
You have to do it to teach it as well!
The need is that insurers & clients require it, because many of them know no better!!!

How about this.
New client, says I'll have to get you a hi-vis to go into the factory as our insurance co demands that all personnel wear one on site.
Me, do you have many vehicle movements in the factory then?
Client, no we have on FLT and it can't get everywhere, but, we still have to wear them everywhere.
Me, Oh!

When I look around, wiring does not meet regs, thus law, machines do not meet statute law, Ins Co. not interested, happy obviously to cover that risk, but they demand that loose fitting Hi-Vis is worn when working around rotating machinery...

No wonder, ...why UK goods are so expensive and it's export trade is taking a nose dive!! Between the HSE, the insurers, and god knows what other organisations, it ain't gonna be too long before the UK will become equivalent to a 3rd world country.

A CoP for Pat Testing?? You've all gone loopy!!! lol!!

 

[ackbarthestar]

No wonder, ...why UK goods are so expensive and it's export trade is taking a nose dive!! Between the HSE, the insurers, and god knows what other organisations, it ain't gonna be too long before the UK will become equivalent to a 3rd world country.

A CoP for Pat Testing?? You've all gone loopy!!! lol!!

Funnily enough I have had the same thoughts , but as far as PAT goes, the C&G2377-100 or 200, shows the H&SE that some form of training has been given to a company's staff. In fact it is the easiest way for an employer to show compliance - whether or not the employees understand what they have learn't is something else.

 

[Marnik]

recently got asked for quals in order to PAT test a few items. Showed them a copy of my 2391 , only to be questioned as to my capabilities to test appliances , as they only recognised 2377 as the quals for this in their "nationwide company"! MADNESS

 

[Engineer54]

Funnily enough I have had the same thoughts , but as far as PAT goes, the C&G2377-100 or 200, shows the H&SE that some form of training has been given to a company's staff. In fact it is the easiest way for an employer to show compliance - whether or not the employees understand what they have learn't is something else.

Exactly, ...any Tom, Dick or Harry can Pat Test, doesn't mean a qualified electrician would need to undertake special training!!! ALL these countries that are rising by leaps and bounds have Naff all of these stupid unnecessary and very costly requirements.

We'll be the safest country in the world pretty soon, if not already, but one of the poorest..... lol!!

 

[ipf]

recently got asked for quals in order to PAT test a few items. Showed them a copy of my 2391 , only to be questioned as to my capabilities to test appliances , as they only recognised 2377 as the quals for this in their "nationwide company"! MADNESS

Company rules made up by baloons. Probably some firm's trumped up H and S officer/policy.

 

[ackbarthestar]

Exactly, ...any Tom, Dick or Harry can Pat Test, doesn't mean a qualified electrician would need to undertake special training!!! ALL these countries that are rising by leaps and bounds have Naff all of these stupid unnecessary and very costly requirements.

We'll be the safest country in the world pretty soon, if not already, but one of the poorest..... lol!!

Any Tom, Dick or etc, etc can PAT. I'm not sure that that is entirely correct.

Most guys who enter a program of training have no appreciation of the ability to interpret the results of their PATester.

Personally, I think it is the remit of Electricians and allied trades, not anybody, as I once observed where 12 Group 4 security guards came along for a PAT class because their boss thought they spent too much time on their backsides watching TV. Needless to say, none of them passed and just as well!

 

[rob121]

Any Tom, Dick or etc, etc can PAT. I'm not sure that that is entirely correct.

Most guys who enter a program of training have no appreciation of the ability to interpret the results of their PATester.

Personally, I think it is the remit of Electricians and allied trades, not anybody, as I once observed where 12 Group 4 security guards came along for a PAT class because their boss thought they spent too much time on their backsides watching TV. Needless to say, none of them passed and just as well!

A mate of mine has his own window and carpet cleaning company in london, he was doing a clean on a building site and got asked to have his carpet cleaner pat tested. Him and his wife went and done a course for a day, brought the cheapest pat tester they could find, now they do that on there own equipment and as an extra. Hes always been a window cleaner has not got any experience at all, but still said the course was an absolute breeze, a waste of money was his words. He learnt more reading the instruction manual that came with the PAT tester than on the course.
Whats funny though is hes scored some large nationwide contracts for the PAT testing all ready off the back of this qualification...