niceic assesment help

[eddielarge]

DES 56 , trust u to twist things , the guy asked for help to get through an assessment and i just pointed out that it would be easier if he avoided outside power on PME systems, you then twist it that im saying avoid things because u cant do them.
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT PEOPLE TAKE THE ASSESSOR TO JOBS THAT ARE SPOT ON.
If the guy wasnt a bit worried he wouldnt be asking , so my comment was a fair point, BUT YOU THEN GET ON YOUR HIGH HORSE AND TWIST IT

ROCKER
you said it ELESCA only want ONE job. and to be fair u based the whole nic on one observation, and you hide behind the fact that NIC are for the people and elesca are for the contractors ( which only comes out of the mouths of ELESCA MEMBERS)

As far as mr public complaining and the NIC taking their side , i make them right.
If they get a complaint they should investigate it properly and not just take the side of the contractor that pays them , If the contractor has done his job then whats the worry.
Thats why CUSTOMERS ask for NIC contractors because they can complain fairly if things go wrong.

As you said ELESCA basically backs up the people that pay them which does not make it a fair complaint proceedure , (your words)

AS I SAID EARLIER I KNOW DOZENS OF GOOD ELESCA CONTRACTORS WHO OFTEN HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT ITS THE SAME AS THE NIC , BUT HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANY NIC CONTRACTOR BEING ASKED TO EXPLAIN WHY THE ARE NOT ELSCA

AND TO BE HONEST THE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT NIC, THE HAPPIER I AM .. MORE WORK FOR ME

 

[rocker]

I'm afraid mate if you actually read what I said, ELECSA will investigate and support the contractor as long as they haven't done anything wrong, and in any case will attempt to allow you to rectify the problem. NIC will take the side of the customer in every case, will not investigate and will leave it to the contractor to prove they have acted correctly, which can be very hard to do when you have an unreasonable customer hell-bent on compensation.

I'm not 'hiding' behind anything, as I said I am basing this on MY experience with both parties, and I found the NIC assessment to be completely sub-par, exactly what people who say that they are a 'soft touch' say. In contrast, MY elecsa assessment was a lot harder, and what you would expect to have to go through before being unleashed on the public with a 500V tester. As I said, I can't vouch for every NIC assessment, and maybe the guy was having a bad day, but I can only comment on what I have actually experienced, and as you quite rightly say that is ONE NIC assessment, and is also ONE elecsa assessment. If I'm unable to form an opinion (and that's all I ever claimed it was) after seeing an assessment from both parties, then I would be interested to hear exactly how many elecsa assessments you have been present at.

As far as this recurring theme of customers expecting NIC - I have only ever had one customer question this, and after a very brief, maybe 30 second explaination of the system, the customer was fine with it.

I'm not sure why this is causing such an argument, from what started as just light hearted banter. If anyone thinks that I am being in any way agressive regarding this please let me know and I will think about deleting these posts, I am merely stating my opinion, and did not realise it was such a controversial one.

 

[eddielarge]

Rocker have you been part of an nic complaint as you seem to know so much about how they deal with it, ive had a complaint from a customer before christmas and after i had explained my side they totally backed me.

as i said please please stick to ELESCA

 

[rocker]

No mate but I do have 2 or 3 friends and one very good friend who are NIC and they are saying, after I have been telling them about elecsa, that next year they are considering changing. And I have been to one NIC assessment which, drawing my conclusions form your lack of response, you have not experienced through elecsa. This is how I am able to base my opinion on fact, where you seem to be able to base what you are stating as absolute fact on what appears to be 'what you reckon'.

I don't know why you chose to personally attack me and others on here, and I'm unsure how you can accuse people of taking the 'easy option' when you have clearly told this kid not to do something a little compicated for his assessment because it may 'open a can of worms'. No one's really mentioned this as, like I said before, up until this point it was all light hearted banter, but really if you're such a brilliant and by-the-book spark with the all singing, all dancing gods known as the NIC, and it's so important for everybody to be this way, why are you advising anyone to take shortcuts and easy routes?

Let's be honest, most of Joe Public havent got a clue about NIC, ELECSA, Napit or whoever. You get work because you're a good spark, not because you're with bloody NIC or whoever.

I would suggest to the powers that be that, after eddielarge has had his obligitory retort of course, that we close this damn thread as it's not getting anyone anywhere.

 

[martysparky]

Well, there seems to be a lot of snobbery going on here.

It seems that the way things are NIC guys are are mainly Com, Ind and maybe Domestic.

I understand if you want to work in certain areas of electrical contracting you must be NIC.

So, if your work is all domestic why chose NIC as it seems that a lot of domestic guys choose other.

If I were the public I would choose a contractor that has a firm practice in the work being done not one that varies dramatically.

Maybe this has truth maybe not.

Just a few thoughts.

 

[drewandsons]

NICEIC is all that average Joe public recognises be it Domestic part p or full scope schemes.
The money is around the same ball park,so if you want the work go with the NICEIC,
They offer more seminars around the country and Ive found there website and helplines more than usefull.
NAPIT,ELECSA,looked into both these and they also seem like good schemes!! but who are they?? sorry guys but that is what joe public will say!!! The minuite you start to explain they just start hearing John Wayne sing I was born under a wandering star!!!Do yourselves a favour and get NICEIC registered>>>

 

[sparks1234]

NICEIC is all that average Joe public recognises be it Domestic part p or full scope schemes.
The money is around the same ball park,so if you want the work go with the NICEIC,
They offer more seminars around the country and Ive found there website and helplines more than usefull.
NAPIT,ELECSA,looked into both these and they also seem like good schemes!! but who are they?? sorry guys but that is what joe public will say!!! The minuite you start to explain they just start hearing John Wayne sing I was born under a wandering star!!!Do yourselves a favour and get NICEIC registered>>>

Did you mean Lee Marvin??

 

[DurhamSparky]

NICEIC is all that average Joe public recognises be it Domestic part p or full scope schemes.
The money is around the same ball park,so if you want the work go with the NICEIC,
They offer more seminars around the country and Ive found there website and helplines more than usefull.
NAPIT,ELECSA,looked into both these and they also seem like good schemes!! but who are they?? sorry guys but that is what joe public will say!!! The minuite you start to explain they just start hearing John Wayne sing I was born under a wandering star!!!Do yourselves a favour and get NICEIC registered>>>

1) The money is around the same ball park,so if you want the work go with the NICEIC,
may be ball park but in my previous dealings with NIC they seemed to be demanding and liked to interperate the regs there own way!

2) They offer more seminars around the country and Ive found there website and helplines more than usefull.
i dont really care about seminars!

3) NAPIT,ELECSA,looked into both these and they also seem like good schemes!! but who are they??
they are a government Part P scheme set up in 2005 if thy were total ******* they would not exist!

actually who are the NIC!!! tell me one thing that the NIC does different to other schemes!!! in my eyes they only shemes that mean any thing are Government agencys!! i,e Building Control!!

4) Do yourselves a favour and get NICEIC registered..!! sorry guys but that is what joe public will say!!! The minuite you start to explain they just start hearing John Wayne sing I was born under a wandering star!!!

are you a bloody salesman for the NIC!!! your talking absoloute tripe!!! my customers ask me if im qualified and i say yes also tell them that im with Elecsa... when they say who is that i say its one of 3 Part P scheme operators who in conjunction with building control assess and vet electrical contractors..!

 

[flukey]

1) The money is around the same ball park,so if you want the work go with the NICEIC,
may be ball park but in my previous dealings with NIC they seemed to be demanding and liked to interperate the regs there own way!

2) They offer more seminars around the country and Ive found there website and helplines more than usefull.
i dont really care about seminars!

3) NAPIT,ELECSA,looked into both these and they also seem like good schemes!! but who are they??
they are a government Part P scheme set up in 2005 if thy were total ******* they would not exist!

actually who are the NIC!!! tell me one thing that the NIC does different to other schemes!!! in my eyes they only shemes that mean any thing are Government agencys!! i,e Building Control!!

4) Do yourselves a favour and get NICEIC registered..!! sorry guys but that is what joe public will say!!! The minuite you start to explain they just start hearing John Wayne sing I was born under a wandering star!!!

are you a bloody salesman for the NIC!!! your talking absoloute tripe!!! my customers ask me if im qualified and i say yes also tell them that im with Elecsa... when they say who is that i say its one of 3 Part P scheme operators who in conjunction with building control assess and vet electrical contractors..!

i must admit i dont ever remember having to explain to a customer who nic are so that must be a positive

you cant deny that on some installation instructions there is a recommendation that an niceic registered electrician is used, never sen a recommendation for any other scheme so when granny reaches for the yellow pages and looks for niceic ad she finds me

 

[eddielarge]

1) The money is around the same ball park,so if you want the work go with the NICEIC,
may be ball park but in my previous dealings with NIC they seemed to be demanding and liked to interperate the regs there own way!

2) They offer more seminars around the country and Ive found there website and helplines more than usefull.
i dont really care about seminars!

3) NAPIT,ELECSA,looked into both these and they also seem like good schemes!! but who are they??
they are a government Part P scheme set up in 2005 if thy were total ******* they would not exist!

actually who are the NIC!!! tell me one thing that the NIC does different to other schemes!!! in my eyes they only shemes that mean any thing are Government agencys!! i,e Building Control!!

4) Do yourselves a favour and get NICEIC registered..!! sorry guys but that is what joe public will say!!! The minuite you start to explain they just start hearing John Wayne sing I was born under a wandering star!!!

are you a bloody salesman for the NIC!!! your talking absoloute tripe!!! my customers ask me if im qualified and i say yes also tell them that im with Elecsa... when they say who is that i say its one of 3 Part P scheme operators who in conjunction with building control assess and vet electrical contractors..!

Durham , seminars are there to improve knowledge but as in your own words you dont care for seminars that is why you joined a group that u have to explain who they are to customers(your own words)

But durham if you think small you will stay small .

as u advertised a massive job the other day and it only needed 3 sparks.. isnt that a normal day to day job

 

[sparks1234]

1) The money is around the same ball park,so if you want the work go with the NICEIC,
may be ball park but in my previous dealings with NIC they seemed to be demanding and liked to interperate the regs there own way!

2) They offer more seminars around the country and Ive found there website and helplines more than usefull.
i dont really care about seminars!

3) NAPIT,ELECSA,looked into both these and they also seem like good schemes!! but who are they??
they are a government Part P scheme set up in 2005 if thy were total ******* they would not exist!

actually who are the NIC!!! tell me one thing that the NIC does different to other schemes!!! in my eyes they only shemes that mean any thing are Government agencys!! i,e Building Control!!

4) Do yourselves a favour and get NICEIC registered..!! sorry guys but that is what joe public will say!!! The minuite you start to explain they just start hearing John Wayne sing I was born under a wandering star!!!

are you a bloody salesman for the NIC!!! your talking absoloute tripe!!! my customers ask me if im qualified and i say yes also tell them that im with Elecsa... when they say who is that i say its one of 3 Part P scheme operators who in conjunction with building control assess and vet electrical contractors..!

4 operators

 

[DurhamSparky]

99.9% my customers dont know who the hell NIC, Elecsa or Napit are..!! all they are interested in is a Qualified Electrician who wont burn there house down!!

all i get asked is are you Part P registered and fully qualified!

i explained in my post i dont have the time to take on big jobs! i have a full time job looking after a 300,000 sq foot data centre to worry about! my business will stay small and remain small until a time i can give up my 35k 4 on 4 off guranteed income sparky job and earn more!!

my business employes 1 spark and thats me! if the job takes longer than 4 days im not interested unless its a empty property and deadlines are not to worry about!

personally the way i see it is this! i dont slag off any of the scheme operators of electricians unless i have a valid reason to do so! they are all government approved and regulated via Building control,
the people i have a problem with are the cowboys who think black to black red to red then sod off!!!

i find customers take a dim view of over confident sparks spouting off how bad other scheme electricians are!!

well im off to work now so may be on laters when im sitting around!!

 

[baldsparkies]

The larger electrical contracting companies are NICEIC registered, fact.
Most are also registered with the ECA.
When covering medium to large industrial contracts the consulting companies and specs make a point of mentioning NICEIC in the tenders, have seen this many many times.
If people want to register with other scheme providers so be it.
But there is no question that the NICEIC is the most recognised, and the fact your registering with someone else won't make that change overnight.
In the future ?? who knows. Would it be a good thing ?? For us. Definately.

 

[eddielarge]

The larger electrical contracting companies are NICEIC registered, fact.
Most are also registered with the ECA.
When covering medium to large industrial contracts the consulting companies and specs make a point of mentioning NICEIC in the tenders, have seen this many many times.
If people want to register with other scheme providers so be it.
But there is no question that the NICEIC is the most recognised, and the fact your registering with someone else won't make that change overnight.
In the future ?? who knows. Would it be a good thing ?? For us. Definately.

well said that man

 

[flukey]

But there is no question that the NICEIC is the most recognised, and the fact your registering with someone else won't make that change overnight.
In the future ?? who knows. Would it be a good thing ?? For us. Definately.

i for one would be going with napit for £300 if things were to change