Niceic Assessment 15/09/09

Ridgey88 · Sep 6, 2009

Hi All,

I have two sites booked with the NICEIC but am now not doing anywork at the second site so just the one now, however i still have two examples of my work at this site. a consumer unit change and re-wired the garage. does anyone know if it is acceptable to have two examples of your work to show at the one site, instead of one example at two sites equaling two examples. Ifso can you show them both on the one certificate??

Manythanks

Kirk

monkeyelectric · Sep 7, 2009

No i tried that but they wanted two seperate sites

danzor · Sep 7, 2009

How about a CU change on your house/familys etc... all count

Ridgey88 · Sep 7, 2009

cheers,

only need one major and one minor to show so got a job today to change a 1gang socket to a 2gang, issue a mwc and thats good enough i would think as to the extent of the major a simple socket change maybe very minor but i think it'll be ok for the assessment.

steamboatwilly · Sep 8, 2009

Yeah, they want 2 separate sites but I always use my house (or mother-in-laws) if pushed at the time.

Where is the socket change? Is changing a 1G to a 2G socket a MWC?

Mark.W · Sep 8, 2009

Yes Changing a 1 gang socket to a 2 gang is a Minor Works!

Ridgey88 said:
cheers,

only need one major and one minor to show so got a job today to change a 1gang socket to a 2gang, issue a mwc and thats good enough i would think as to the extent of the major a simple socket change maybe very minor but i think it'll be ok for the assessment.

So what are you using as your major?

Ridgey88 · Sep 8, 2009

Well its now two 1g sockets being changed to 2g sockets.
as for the major i will use the other job originally planned to use for the both, which is a consumer unit change and a garage re-wire. who know's he might be happy enough with the first job not to bother seeing the second, it is only a socket change at the end of the day and the first job has got plenty of examples.

Cant remember the assessors name exactly but i think it was mike selby or sibley or something.... anyine had him before??

Cheers

Mark.W · Sep 8, 2009

Ridgey88 said:
Well its now two 1g sockets being changed to 2g sockets.
as for the major i will use the other job originally planned to use for the both, which is a consumer unit change and a garage re-wire. who know's he might be happy enough with the first job not to bother seeing the second, it is only a socket change at the end of the day and the first job has got plenty of examples.

Cant remember the assessors name exactly but i think it was mike selby or sibley or something.... anyine had him before??

Cheers

So you're using a CU change and garage re-wire for you major! Was this a job for a customer or was it just for the assessment?

Ridgey88 · Sep 8, 2009

Was for a customer but family. and had planned to use it for the assessment before hand. they just want to see two examples of your work done through your company whether at your own home or a customer all the same. as long as it represents a true example of your work.

Think the assessors name was mike smelby, anyone had him before? does he take bribes?

My last assessor was Tim Hunt, who i thought was very good!

flukey · Sep 9, 2009

is the garage attached or detached from the main house.

if detached it wont be accepted.

the cu will be though

Ridgey88 · Sep 9, 2009

Hey flukey,

why would the garage not be accepted? The corner of the garage is ajoined to the house but that's it just the corner.

flukey · Sep 9, 2009

Ridgey88 said:
Hey flukey,

why would the garage not be accepted? The corner of the garage is ajoined to the house but that's it just the corner.

if its attached its fine. if its detached its not notifiable unless you ran a feed across the garden to it

Ridgey88 · Sep 9, 2009

Cheers flukey,

would you class it as ajoined with just the corner of the garage ajoining the house.?
I have staked it so it is seperately earthed from the house!

elecyranj · Sep 9, 2009

I am wanting to get my Part P, can anyone advise of the pros and cons as to which part to join, ie nic, napit, elecsa etc

steamboatwilly · Sep 9, 2009

elecyranj said:
I am wanting to get my Part P, can anyone advise of the pros and cons as to which part to join, ie nic, napit, elecsa etc

That's a big (and contested!) subject....I think there's a 'sticky' on the forum for this? I'll see if I can find it.

Checked. Well, there are many threads already. Enter "which scheme" into the search box and set aside some time to consider the various views there!

Round 1: I'm NICEIC. Not cheap but fairly efficient. Well know to the public (probably the best known actually).

sparky paul · Sep 9, 2009

flukey said:
if its attached its fine. if its detached its not notifiable unless you ran a feed across the garden to it

I think you may have your wires crossed there flukey

If the garage is LINKED to the house it is NON notifiable.

If it is DETECHED from the house it then becomes NOTIFIABLE

flukey · Sep 9, 2009

sparky paul said:
I think you may have your wires crossed there flukey

If the garage is LINKED to the house it is NON notifiable.

If it is DETECHED from the house it then becomes NOTIFIABLE

no wires crossed here paul

check this previous thread mate

http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...-regulations/6401-part-p-garage-workshop.html

Ridgey88 · Sep 9, 2009

Flukey, maybe a little off subject and a daft question but it seems you(me) seem to doubt yourself when under assessment so the question is;

when filling out the DEIIC on the schedule of test results, if you have a garage supply from the main CU say circuit 5 or whatever, and that cable supplys a small 4 module CU in the garge which has two circuits, lights and sockets, do you treat these circuits within the garage seperate or part of the readings for the garage supply cable?? hope this makes sense! and if you treat the garage circuits seperate where do you put them on the certicate, after the rest of the main CU circuits have been listed? leave a space and put them at the bottom?

Cheers

Mark2009 · Sep 9, 2009

Ridgey88 said:
Flukey, maybe a little off subject and a daft question but it seems you(me) seem to doubt yourself when under assessment so the question is;

when filling out the DEIIC on the schedule of test results, if you have a garage supply from the main CU say circuit 5 or whatever, and that cable supplys a small 4 module CU in the garge which has two circuits, lights and sockets, do you treat these circuits within the garage seperate or part of the readings for the garage supply cable?? hope this makes sense! and if you treat the garage circuits seperate where do you put them on the certicate, after the rest of the main CU circuits have been listed? leave a space and put them at the bottom?

Cheers

Hi

Just bend the law but don't break it.

Thanks

Mark

Ridgey88 · Sep 9, 2009

Hi mark maybe I worded the question wrong. Thus is not to do with installation fitting or regs, I am fully aware of the regs and such like it is todo with filling out Certificates.

Spudnik · Sep 9, 2009

You will need to complete 2 EIC, one for the sub main, and one for the garage CU.

Thats if i understood your question correctly..

flukey · Sep 10, 2009

just as jason says. each cu will have its own eic, no doubt in my mind

Ridgey88 · Sep 10, 2009

A complete 3 page cert, or just an additional schedule of test results?
Example: let's say you have a CU with 5 circuits, one of those circuits is a distribution circuit for the garage. You would record the results of testing for the distribution circuit for the garage as you would any other circuit upto the point of the garage CU? then you would leave the garage circuits of this test sheet and fill an additional one in for the garage circuits say lights and sockets. Surely not a complete DEIC for a garage 4Mod CU? Ifso when asking for the main supply characteristics would you then be putting in the details of the mcb supplying the garage instead of the main cut-out?

Thanks again