NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC Partner with Rated People!

[pepparz]

That counts eng out then, haha

 

[D Skelton]

Person. Only the QS was found guilty.

No, people. It was confirmed in court that the mate had fudged the IR results, he admitted to it, the only reason he wasn't found guilty was because he played the 'I was only following orders' card.

 

[Badged01]

... the only reason he wasn't found guilty was because he played the 'I was only following orders' card.

I thought after the WW2 trials that old chesnut was no longer applicable ..... unless it can be proved he was so dumb and stupid so as to not know what day of the week it was?!?!

 

[NickD]

No, people. It was confirmed in court that the mate had fudged the IR results, he admitted to it, the only reason he wasn't found guilty was because he played the 'I was only following orders' card.

We can only speculate as to why he was found not guilty, because we don't have the detailed case reporting, and juries are not required to explain their reasoning. It was reported that his handwritten test schedule was typed up and discrepancies introduced in the process; that may be a significant factor. He's an innocent man as far as the law is concerned, is all I'm saying.

 

[D Skelton]

We can only speculate as to why he was found not guilty, because we don't have the detailed case reporting, and juries are not required to explain their reasoning. It was reported that his handwritten test schedule was typed up and discrepancies introduced in the process; that may be a significant factor. He's an innocent man as far as the law is concerned, is all I'm saying.

No, you don't have the detailed case reporting. I have the benefit of having spoken to someone who was actually sat in the court room.

The mate was found not guilty of breaching a health and safety regulation, that is a fact and one we cannot argue, but that does not mean he bears no responsibility at all for her death, especially when he admitted in a court of law to fudging test results!

Just because you have been found innocent of a crime, that does not automatically absolve you of any responsibility.

 

[Chrisuk]

Sweet FA other than to have passed a 17th Edition exam!

Strict then! ! ! !

 

[Badged01]

Strict then! ! ! !

You may find that was a touch tongue in cheek in only requiring the 17th edn ......

 

[D Skelton]

You may find that was a touch tongue in cheek in only requiring the 17th edn ......

Err, no. The C&G 2382 is the only qualification a current 'qualified' supervisor is required to hold.

 

[NickD]

No, you don't have the detailed case reporting. I have the benefit of having spoken to someone who was actually sat in the court room.

But with respect, unless it was the judge or one of the lawyers you spoke to (and even then it's iffy), you don't know that what they've told you is complete, impartial, covers the relevant points of both evidence and law, etc. - so it's unlikely to be enough to make a solid argument on why the jury decided to find him not guilty, is the point I was making.

If you can point to evidence that he admitted fudging the tests then fair enough you can argue that even though found not guilty he may share some of the moral responsibility. But that's a separate argument from why he got off, is all I'm saying.

 

[D Skelton]

I don't particularly care how he got off, what's done is done, what I do care about and what I do feel is significant is his admissions in court, which are in the public domain.

I stand by what I say, and that is that both contributed to the death of Emma Shaw, and the NIC and the rest of the scams have a hell of a lot to answer to!

This fact isn't about me, nor is it about you, it is about public safety, and contrary to what the NIC like to tell us, the complete disregard for it!

In my opinion, this thread is not the place to attempt pedantry.

 

[jackhammerJIM]

well at least some good. estate agents are not now top of the list of the most hated. no.1 goes to rated people ( and all the other leeches ). no.2 is the scams, and estateagents are demoted to no.4. below the new no.3........ call centres.

I have revised and amended your list TEL

No 1 POLITICIANS
2 BANKERS
3 RATED PEOPLE
4 THE SCAMS
5 ESTATE AGENTS
6 CALL CENTRES
7 ADOLF HITLER
8 JUSTIN BIEBER

 

[NickD]

In my opinion, this thread is not the place to attempt pedantry.

(You made a statement about why the electrician's mate got off, and I was just responding to that. If it was just an aside and you don't really care how or why he got off, that's cool.)

 

[NickD]

I have revised and amended your list TEL

No 1 POLITICIANS
2 BANKERS
3 RATED PEOPLE
4 THE SCAMS
5 ESTATE AGENTS
6 CALL CENTRES
7 ADOLF HITLER
8 JUSTIN BIEBER

Loss adjusters? Piers Morgan?

 

[Engineer54]

Originally Posted by NICEIC ENGINEER

NICEIC was approached with an offer by Rated People which we felt might be beneficial to our contractors.

There is no commercial gain for NICEIC. The offer is for a trial period only.

NICEIC is committed to promoting the work of its contractors to householders and believe all electrical work in the home should be undertaken by competent, registered tradespeople.

However, we appreciate your feedback on this issue and will be reviewing the offer going forward.

You must think that we were all born just yesterday trying to feed us that sort of crap!! Any organisation that can deem or certify a electrical trainee or a 17 day whizz Kid as being competent, as well as also ratifying the course's that produce these wannabe's is doing so for one reason, and one reason only PROFIT!!

Tying yourself up with an organisation like ''Rated People'' just about sums up just how far you as a company are prepared to go in Chasing the Dollar stakes....

This has nothing to do with helping your members, as any self respecting fully qualified electrician would have nothing to do with an organisation that charges the tradesmen you supposedly represent, in order to quote for a job of work.

So pull the other leg, it's got bells on!!!

 

[jaypp]

NICEIC was approached with an offer by Rated People which we felt might be beneficial to our contractors.

There is no commercial gain for NICEIC. The offer is for a trial period only.

NICEIC is committed to promoting the work of its contractors to householders and believeall electrical work in the home should be undertaken by competent, registered tradespeople.

However, we appreciate your feedback on this issue and will be reviewing the offer going forward.

just wondered what your contractors thought about this, or were they not asked before you made the decision for them?

will they get free 'leads', better 'rp' status?