NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC Rant

[SPARTYKUS]

Stroma are £245 all in.

 

[saveloy]

Stroma are £245 all in.

At last someone who can break the monopoly.

 

[RWJ]

Are you on the DI or AC scheme.. Remember the DI engineers are often experienced local AC's paid by the NICEIC to do assessments.

He might have a chip on his shoulder about you being competition.

The guy who does the DI assessments round here (Scott) has his own electrical firm (and is an AC).... He's a nice guy for the record.. although I've never met him in a professional capacity.

 

[UNG]

Having been on both sides of being assessed and being the assessor I can understand that personalities can react but there are some that are so far up the darkside.

I did some assessing of workshops for the National Caravan Councils Approved Workshop Scheme a while ago and it can work both ways had a site whose arrogance while trying to book the visit on the phone didn't bode well for a good visit, the notes on the previous assessment visit for another site indicated an attitude problem with the workshop manager and other people mentioned his arrogance, during my visit there was no problem and he couldn't have been more polite. On another site I had to be very insistent on seeing all the documentation which due to their filing system was mislaid or misfiled and also not having on open display in the waiting area the mandatory documents required by the AWS made me possibly appear aggressive towards them as I insisted that this needed to be sorted to receive a favourable assessment

On the other side I have in other businesses been assessed by the NICEIC, SSAIB and various other bodies and never had a problem with the people they have sent out

I have often thought that it would be useful if you had to fill in a questionnaire about your assessment and how well the assessor did

 

[RWJ]

I have often thought that it would be useful if you had to fill in a questionnaire about your assessment and how well the assessor did

I like it!!!!

We should lobby the schemes

 

[Geordie Spark]

Despite your clearly a Geordie, i cant read what your typing without straight away going into Glasgow mode.

Aye, well .......... there's not much difference ..... Weegies are like Geordies but with the brain kicked oot !!!

(the Weegies tell it the other way round though!!)

 

[wade88]

Aye, well .......... there's not much difference ..... Weegies are like Geordies but with the brain kicked oot !!!

(the Weegies tell it the other way round though!!)

Both however are responsible for 95% of Britains fake tan consumption....

 

[41steve]

I remember on my first assessment 11yrs ago. One job was a smoke detector off a local lighting cct. he said it should be on ist own cct. i showed him the onsite guide which proved him wrong.

i even gave a good reason, the circuits tend to be turned off in the student houses i was working in.

he got his own back as he recommended i do the 2400 and 2391 courses even though the the day went well and the testing was ok.

i already had my B&C Cert and HNC.

its best to agree with them, they just want the brownie points when they forward thier reports!!

 

[malcolmsanford]

What was that assessment for Steve back in 2001/2

 

[wildgoose]

My colleague is with the NICEIC and like you, an experienced Spark. He has had similar concerns with his assessments and is now considering moving to another scheme provider - an easy process because the new provider will assist with it!!

I don't have any problems myself with ECA/Elecsa. Have to say they are very helpful, polite and reasonable. Probably this is why the combined membership of ECA/Elecsa is growing at a healthy rate year on year??

Also heard favourable feedback about Napit too!!

 

[Dave 85]

The thing I always hear is that NIC is there for the clients benefit, ECA is for the contaractors. I know quite a few self employed electricians and they're all Elecsa registered (as am I). I think full ECA registration is now every bit as recognised as full NIC when it comes to big commercial jobs (so I've heard).

 

[41steve]

To be a member of the NIC.

 

[High Tower]

I had Bob Sanders, senior district engineer, he is the boss man, he's above the rest of them. He couldn't have been kinder or more down to earth, even made conversation to try and put me at ease and calm my nerves. He diddnt make a fuss when my nerves made me overlook glaringly obvious mistakes with my testing that I carried out while he was there, such as not disconnecting the main earth while testing Ze.

I couldn't have been happier with the assessment, my only grip is that head office is useless and SLOW!!

 

[41steve]

The thing I always hear is that NIC is there for the clients benefit, ECA is for the contaractors. I know quite a few self employed electricians and they're all Elecsa registered (as am I). I think full ECA registration is now every bit as recognised as full NIC when it comes to big commercial jobs (so I've heard).

Well said Dave

 

[lurch]

I'm with Elecsa, and can only highly recommend. The Inspector is fine, courteous and we have a chat about righting the worldsd wrongs before commencing the assessment. If theres an issue he points it out and "suggest" a remedy in order not to put a corrective action in place, if there is a choice. The support team on the end of a phone are quick and extremely helpful.

Its now the 21st century and there is absolutely no need to have little Hitlers roaming around under the guise of the NIC. There no harm in good manners.

Have a look around mate, gone are the days when the NIC had the monopoly, but there are still some inspectors that seem to think the NIC is the be all and end all.

 

[andyyoyo]

Maybe move down to kent, my inspector is jolly plesant fella, I'm sure some of you know who I mean

 

[needasparks]

Maybe move down to kent, my inspector is jolly plesant fella, I'm sure some of you know who I mean

Does he wear a red suit as he sounds like santa.

 

[andyyoyo]

No, but he does eat an awful lot of cakes & bikkies during his visit

 

[41steve]

Nice one

 

[JamesBrownLive]

the **** of a waiter then re-emerges with a plate of burning food (obviously brandy coated or something) and plonks down on the table and says in a very arrogant and nasel french accent .."hot enough for you sir?"

I'd be reminding monsieur waiter of 2 pertinent statistics...

1. Fewer than five out of ten French people take a bath or shower every day.
2. The French buy less than half as much soap as the Germans and the British.

And then finish off by telling him where he can stick his 'Crepe Suzette', flaming or otherwise :ciappa:

 

[mspms]

Hi all,

I hope you don't mind me edging in on your rant, I'm new to the forum and to the trade. I have recently qualified as a spark, with inspection and testing etc and would like to find out more about registering with a scheme provider. By the sound of things NIC are very friendly, not! What do the annual assessments consist of, what real benifits do scheme providers provide etc. Many thanks for taking the time to reply.

 

[Engineer54]

They only benifit themselves, ...No-one else!!

 

[RWJ]

They're also just as bad as each other just want money...... but I think Elecsa contractors seem happier with their scheme than any other

 

[mspms]

Thanks RJW. Can you expand a little on their requirements etc? Where in East angia are you based I'm in Mid Suffolk.

 

[RWJ]

Thanks RJW. Can you expand a little on their requirements etc? Where in East angia are you based I'm in Mid Suffolk.

I have no idea we're dreaded NICEIC AC:89:

The elecsa website simply just says you need the 17th

More info Elecsa - Part P Scheme

And the elecsa guide http://www.elecsa.co.uk/Documents/P...to-Avoid-Common-Part-P-Assessment-Issues.aspx


I'm near Yarmouth



EDIT Sorry wrong doc

Should have posted this one http://www.elecsa.co.uk/Documents/Public-Documents/Contractors/Guide-to-Part-P_2012.aspx