NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC’s Connection magazine (using CPC as a live conductor)?

[telectrix]

there is a simpler explanation as to why the cpc in T/E is not insulated. the cable is first constucted as twin, with a small aperture down the middle for the lenght of the cable, usually 100m. now, if the cpc was insulated, how in hell could the manufacturers push it all in?

 

[Badged01]

Simple Tel, just make the hole bigger!

 

[BigSi]

I just popped back after a few busy days at work to see how my thread was doing........errrrr, I’ll get my coat!!!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I just popped back after a few busy days at work to see how my thread was doing........errrrr, I’ll get my coat!!!

Thats funny!

 

[Spudnik]

Well, just to add to the debate, i was taught to never use the cpc (in flex) as a live conductor, which i am most happy with.

As for the CPC in twin and earth, i understand the reasons for it being un sheathed, is that its not a current carrying conductor, plus the cost of manufacture.

And i also seem to remember that any cable should have an earth conductor present, and connected, but obviously not to DI accessories.

 

[chopper76]

NICEIC’s Connection magazine (using CPC as a live conductor)?

You can buy t/e flat cable with the cpc sheathed, just not common place

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Well, just to add to the debate, i was taught to never use the cpc (in flex) as a live conductor, which i am most happy with.

As for the CPC in twin and earth, i understand the reasons for it being un sheathed, is that its not a current carrying conductor, plus the cost of manufacture.

And i also seem to remember that any cable should have an earth conductor present, and connected, but obviously not to DI accessories.

no....think 2 core flex
fixed wiring systems to have a CPC available at every point on the installation

 

[Knobhead]

So what set off as a sensible thread about something that is inherently dangerous has degenerated in to personal slanging matches.

The ECA should be lined up and shot for publishing the article in the first place. It will convince the fly by nights it’s safe to use the CPC of T&E as a live conductor.
Is this is the way things are going within the trade? Dangerous short cuts legitimised by an organisation that should be upholding standards.

But there’s no profit in (safe) standards, so what the hell.

Just think on when you get a belt off the earth in a two way switch.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

So what set off as a sensible thread about something that is inherently dangerous has degenerated in to personal slanging matches.

The ECA should be lined up and shot for publishing the article in the first place. It will convince the fly by nights it’s safe to use the CPC of T&E as a live conductor.
Is this is the way things are going within the trade? Dangerous short cuts legitimised by an organisation that should be upholding standards.

But there’s no profit in (safe) standards, so what the hell.

Just think on when you get a belt off the earth in a two way switch.

come on tony...it would be connected L1/L2.....wouldn`t it

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and oversleaved (identification of conductors) at all terminations

i can send you the article if you want....

 

[Knobhead]

Glenn, I've seen it. Don’t even try to convince me it’s a good or even acceptable practice.

As I said, it will get misinterpreted by the fly by nights as perfectly acceptable to use the CPC of T&E as a live condutor.

The article should never have been published. It will now be taken as gospel.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Glenn, I've seen it. Don’t even try to convince me it’s a good or even acceptable practice.

As I said, it will get misinterpreted by the fly by nights as perfectly acceptable to use the CPC of T&E as a live condutor.

The article should never have been published. It will now be taken as gospel.

i would never condone this....but if they cant see the difference between a bit of flex...and a flat twin....then theres something wrong...
the correct cable with enough cores should be selected anyway....

 

[Knobhead]

I’m not asking you to condone it.
There’s something very wrong with this industry.

Scams sanctioning poorly qualified people to trade as an electrician is the main one.
Then the Gurus (scams) of the industry actively encouraging poor practice is another. (This farce).

Should I continue the list?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I’m not asking you to condone it.
There’s something very wrong with this industry.

Scams sanctioning poorly qualified people to trade as an electrician is the main one.
Then the Gurus (scams) of the industry actively encouraging poor practice is another. (This farce).

Should I continue the list?

whats wrong here tony is the fundemental lack of understanding about even the basics by many going round claiming their an electrician:

The complete disregard of safety (for themselves and others)....

the pernicious `schemes` that accept any old guy for £££ just off the cuff....

the persistace of these `be an electrician in 5 weeks` outshoppers....

training centres selling `bolt on courses` to those that are not ready for £££....

johnny turk setting his stall out here (with state sanctioned encouragement)....

 

[Engineer54]

Originally Posted by chilliwilly And I will carry on wiring radials in hopscotch fashion serving more than one floor and one room, and when the rating of lighting accessories is improved to match the rating of power outlets, I will also include wall lights and maybe even centre lights on the same circuit. So there still will be lights and power in the event of a fault on one floor and in one room. And watch this space, this will become the norm across Europe including the UK.

Must have been totally Brainwashed from the time he spent in the States!! God help us all, if he is even remotely right!! lol!!

 

[Outspoken]

I was always taught that you never ever use the cpc as a live conductor, if you require a second live conductor you simply replace the cable with 4 cores...we are not talking about huge costs here, most fans only have about 30cm of cable attached at best and if replacing this busts your profits or is too hard for you then you should have your brain removed completely and become a plumber.

ECA = Electrical Conmen Association

NICEIC = Do it our way because we are gods you little oiks..but the rules don't apply to us.

JIB = Owned jointly by the above so needs no explanation

JTL = most useless people to ever attempt to train a prospective sparky

I would accept that my opinion will carry little weight as I have only been doing the job for 30 years come September!

Jim