No Announcement on July FIT Rate today

[Somecamel]

Ted has tweeted that the announcement on the rate of the FIT come July 1st should have been today (40 days in Parliament etc), so in absence would they dare still implement from July 1st?

 

[Gavin A]

we just looked into this, and by our reckoning 40 days before 1st July is a week monday.

however, this doesn't take into account the whitsun recess, and from my reading of the energy act, the 40 day period can't include days when parliament isn't sitting.

Whitsun

house rises 24 May 2012

house returns 11 June 2012

So it looks to me like either they've completely ballsed up, which wouldn't surprise me, or there's not going to be a cut in July.

 

[Somecamel]

Or they might just try to implement the cut on June 30th, big rush, we take them court again, win!- Roller coaster or boom and bust

 

[TedM]

My reading (from The Energy Act 2008) is that both Houses have to be in recess for the period not to apply and the Lords are only in recess from 30th May to the 11th June.

So I make it 20 days from today to the 30th May and then 20 days from 11th June to 30th June which means today is the last in order to get the new proposals before Parliament for 40 days before 1st July.

 

[Somecamel]

My reading (from The Energy Act 2008) is that both Houses have to be in recess for the period not to apply and the Lords are only in recess from 30th May to the 11th June.

So I make it 20 days from today to the 30th May and then 20 days from 11th June to 30th June which means today is the last in order to get the new proposals before Parliament for 40 days before 1st July.

Love you Ted, You are the man

 

[Gavin A]

My reading (from The Energy Act 2008) is that both Houses have to be in recess for the period not to apply and the Lords are only in recess from 30th May to the 11th June.

So I make it 20 days from today to the 30th May and then 20 days from 11th June to 30th June which means today is the last in order to get the new proposals before Parliament for 40 days before 1st July.

ah right, I was trying to work out how you'd arrived on today being the day. Presumed you'd have a logical reason for it though.

Tbh, I'm thinking about writing to barking and suggesting they save money by sacking the entire decc, ofgem and MCS FIT teams and just employing you part time instead to cover all 3 organisations maybe 1 day a week or something. Reckon we'd end up with a smoothly run scheme that fully complied with all relevant laws, stayed in budget and kept the industry chugging along nicely.

 

[Earthstore]

The one thing that really gets my goat in this industry is that so far in this post we have had three bright people that struggle to work out the rules, and if you three struggle how on earth are others going to manage?

Why oh why can they just not just make things transparent?

 

[Somecamel]

So the politicians have a job.

I never understood why it takes so long to do things in this country

 

[whinmoor]

I suspect they don't trust their own spreadsheets! They probably don't know how much was installed from 3rd March - 30th April so don't know which of the three options to choose. If they choose the wrong one, they might find themselves hauled before the courts again!

 

[TedM]

I keep pestering the life out of DECC to try to get them to make at least this part of the scheme as transparent as possible. Hence the weekly publishing of MCS PV data. From which we can all see that there has been 77.7 MW of PV in the 3rd March - 30th April period which is way below the lower trigger point of 150 MW for the proposed July tariff reduction.

But those figures do not include PV systems larger than 50kW which get registered directly with OFGEM and where there seems to be a ridiculous time delay before any reliable data gets published - OFGEM do this quarterly.

But I can't see that there are that many large systems being installed recently. There have been very few since the change in tariff rates last summer.

And DECC have still not published any response to the 2A consultation which covered all the different options either.

 

[petex2416]

And should the figures for >50kw be included/considered anyway since the tariff rate for these is not really a major part of the digression system?
Agree that the silence may indicate a shift in thinking (or a lack of any thinking at all!) in the part of DECC etc. Perhaps the current tariff will after all be maintained for longer. We can but hope, and shout it out to anyone who will listen so that the market picks up from the deathbed it is in currently....

 

[moggy1968]

your suggesting there that DECC has a policy, wheras the lack of info may just be because they are a bunch of incompetent baffoons.
I'll go with the latter I think:iamwithstupid:

 

[Gavin A]

(8) In this section, “40-day period”, in relation to a draft of proposedmodifications, means the period of 40 days beginning with the day on which
the draft is laid before Parliament (or, if it is not laid before each House of
Parliament on the same day, the later of the 2 days on which it is laid).
(9) For the purposes of calculating the 40-day period, no account is to be taken of
any period during which Parliament is dissolved or prorogued or during
which both Houses are adjourned for more than 4 days.
(10) In this section “modification” means a modification under section 41(1).

This is the bit in the energy act 2010 that defines the requirement for the 40 day notice to be given. I'm just wondering if they could possibly be working on the assumption that the first 4 days of the whitsun break don't count, which would give them til tuesday.

It'd seem pretty dubious grounds to me, but I suppose it could be how it worked. More likely though that they're so incompetent that they've simply forgotten about the whitsun recess.

 

[SRE]

I'm just thinking that because it's "May" they've cocked up their dates!!

 

[langstroth2]

your suggesting there that DECC has a policy, wheras the lack of info may just be because they are a bunch of incompetent baffoons. I'll go with the latter I think

Yep. They're central gov civil servants - so on the the whole, whilst I'm sure there's a few good lone voices that are committed to doing things right, as a group they're incompetent or dis-interested or both (or on strike about their overly generous pension arrangements).
And yes I do have direct experience, not just hearsay.