No earthing

[Baker1988]

Hi every one how are you all on this fine bank holiday.
I have a friend of mine who has asked me to change a light fitting in his house it is a rather old house i went to see what he needed doing and when i got there i saw that he has no earthing on his lighting circuit ( infact he has none on any circuit and he has bronze plated swichs and sockets) the light he wants is a metal chandelier type light.

I said to him i will not change the light fixture as it has no earthing for the metal and he started offering me more money to get me to do it but i still said no and said to him he needs to get it rewired or a seperate eath put in but he is having none of it and has said he will get a fully qualified spark in to do the work as it must be ok not to have earth or it would have earth am i right in thinking a spark wont touch this as it is? and am i right to turn this down?

 

[Strima]

What is the rough age of the installation? PVC/rubber insulation on the cables etc?

Take a photo of the CU and any accessible cabling and post it here, we may be able to help a little.

 

[Baker1988]

I have left it told him im not doing it and he will have to get someone else in to do the work i wont be looking behind anything lol

 

[Baker1988]

Hi the cable was definatly not pvc i think it was rubber with 2 cores and no cpc and also i think the cores was stranded not solid if that helps

 

[Baker1988]

I will try and get a couple of pictures for you

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I have left it told him im not doing it and he will have to get someone else in to do the work i wont be looking behind anything lol

now dont be too hasty baker.....could be if its a dangerous install.....and you can convince him so.....you could be on for a nice rewire job here.....dont forget, he`s got a kid....that will be on his mind if you can prove to him that the present install is unsafe.....

 

[Guitarist]

Glenn, the op said it was changing a fitting for a mate, and that if he didn't do it he would get a qualified spark in. Not sure anyone should be convincing him to rewire it as it appears our op is not a qualified electrician himself.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Glenn, the op said it was changing a fitting for a mate, and that if he didn't do it he would get a qualified spark in. Not sure anyone should be convincing him to rewire it as it appears our op is not a qualified electrician himself.

no probs guitarist....

 

[Baker1988]

No i am not fully quilified i am doing my level 3 at college now
i have a lot of expereance doing domestic installations i have helped do a few rewires and i am fully up on 17th edition regs i can do most stuff domestically according to my old boss he was happy to leave me to do the job while he went to another job so no i have not got the qualifications but i do have years of experiance the only reason i am at college is to get my certs to say i am fully qualified so i can sign off

 

[GLENNSPARK]

No i am not fully quilified i am doing my level 3 at college now
i have a lot of expereance doing domestic installations i have helped do a few rewires and i am fully up on 17th edition regs i can do most stuff domestically according to my old boss he was happy to leave me to do the job while he went to another job so no i have not got the qualifications but i do have years of experiance the only reason i am at college is to get my certs to say i am fully qualified so i can sign off

signin stuff off aint about having certs Baker....its about having cash....about £450 of it to a scheme provider...lol.....

 

[Baker1988]

Ya i know that you have to pay a scheme provider like niceic or elecsa ext but you are not allowed to join them unless you have the correct certs or so i was told

 

[GLENNSPARK]

well they require that you hold the C&G2382...thats the 17th edition 1st......its an online exam consisting of 50 questions open book.....its just farcical really..lol...

 

[Baker1988]

I have the 17th edition i thought you needed Alot more than that i thought that you had to have the tecnical cert and the 2391 inspection and test cert which i was told you need to be fully qualified to get the 2391 what sceme only needs the 17th edition

 

[GLENNSPARK]

well i dont know about the NIC...but the other 2 only require the 17th..and a nitifyable job to show em....such as a C/U change.....dont get me wrong...the 2391 is a good cert to have and is a clear demonstration of competence....but you dont need it....

 

[Des 56]

The Niceic domestic installers is the easiest option.however,they all in the end are only after member numbers and the cash ,which is a sad reflection of this industry

If you want to join Napit,they do not recognise the staus of domestic installer,their entry criteria is to hold the 2391 and to have served an apprenticeship or equivelent

Because so many do not have this qualification and the Niceic have such low entry requirements,Napit have lowered their aims and the applicant now have 12 months to obtain it

Sadly the Niceic has driven the entry criteria so low that with just a regulations pass they will accept this,the others have to follow to remain competitive ,the consequence is that entry is all but guarenteed because of the discredited Niceic
Personally I would not touch them with a barge pole,they are a disgrace to this industry and I for one would not want to be associated with such an organisation

Having said that,I don't like the idea particularly of having to be asociated with any of them,but needs must

 

[GLENNSPARK]

The Niceic domestic installers is the easiest option.however,they all in the end are only after member numbers and the cash ,which is a sad reflection of this industry

If you want to join Napit,they do not recognise the staus of domestic installer,their entry criteria is to hold the 2391 and to have served an apprenticeship or equivelent

Because so many do not have this qualification and the Niceic have such low entry requirements,Napit have lowered their aims and the applicant now have 12 months to obtain it

Sadly the Niceic has driven the entry criteria so low that with just a regulations pass they will accept this,the others have to follow to remain competitive ,the consequence is that entry is all but guarenteed because of the discredited Niceic
Personally I would not touch them with a barge pole,they are a disgrace to this industry and I for one would not want to be associated with such an organisation

Having said that,I don't like the idea particularly of having to be asociated with any of them,but needs must

but the reason that Napit want you to have the 2391....is because they have their own version of it that they will gladly sell you....of course the `Napit 2391` isn`t worth the paper its written on outside Napit...lol.....more money..lol...