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Let's, once again, debunk the myth of an open door immigration policy.
My brother is married to a Nigerian woman, under Labour she suddenly became ineligible for an entry visa despite having been here for visits several times and never outstaying her welcome or putting any strain on any services. She came for a couple of months, went back to Lagos at the appropriate time, reapplied for a visa and was told "no"
She applied for what I can only describe as dual nationality because of being married to a Brit and this was again refused. Since then, under this administration she has reapplied for a visa recently and it looks like she is going to get unrestricted access for one year after which the situation will be reviewed.
How does that fit with an unrestricted immigration policy which allows Uncle Tom Cobley and all to come here?
Yes there is free movement of people within the EU but you have exactly the same rights of movement as Yarrick and Darrick, there are several million Brits living on mainland Europe which proves that

All I can add matey is that down South, going to my local Morrissons is like going to a foreigh country. We have servere housing shortages and the prices of houses and rents have gone through the roof.

Mass immigration IS a problem down here - maybe not for you, but certainly here.

And as for the Brits living abroad, most are self funding through retirement etc.
 
Trevor why don't your brother go and live there
And it seems most pensioners living abroad whizz back here the moment they have anything a bit serious happen to them
 
He splits his time between here and there when he's not working mate. He prefers it here because his kids from his first marriage are here.
 
All I can add matey is that down South, going to my local Morrissons is like going to a foreigh country. We have servere housing shortages and the prices of houses and rents have gone through the roof.

Mass immigration IS a problem down here - maybe not for you, but certainly here.

And as for the Brits living abroad, most are self funding through retirement etc.

Our pensioners are putting quite a strain on the health service in parts of Spain.

High house prices in the south?? good golly and gosh whatever next.

Britain and particularly the south has always been a melting pot and there have always been those that don't like it.

2nd generation immigrants don't like new immigrants.

People in general just don't like change.

Even places like Australia and the U.S. have people sulking about immigrants.

Where do you draw the line?

Them bloody Geordies coming down here and working for less, nickin our jobs and wimmin.

A bit farther afield maybe.. Scotland, Ireland, Wales ??

Obviously Brits have a great reputation abroad.....

We are considered in many countries to be arrogant,work shy, dishonest, loud, obnoxious and drunk.

The English language is made up of several other European languages with bits and pieces added to it from our colonial days.

Britain has since the first days of sea travel been a country of immigrants and emigres.

Right now more people are coming in than leaving that tells me I live in a good place.

A quick look in the history books will tell you this hasn't always been the case.
 
People in the south used to brag about the value of their houses when comparing them to similar ones in the north. Funny how the worm turns when it has to.
 
Trev it's easy up north but down here it's hard . Do you know the amount of staff I need on my small 10 bedroom house and the groundkeepers I have to pay as well.also do you know how much a butler wants nowadays ! ! I am struggling mate
 
I will read the replies to my post's properly later...I have been out most of the day so have just skim read the replies. BUT 2 things stood out about the replies.
1. PFI started under the tories......so now I point that out like any good politician you spin it round and say well them labour lot used it much more and over used it...just lol - ANY government would have used that model because they get away scot free with the responsibility of paying for it or even answering to the electorate. Also I don't know how how many times I need to say it New Labour were not and are not a socialist government.
2. Why every time the word socialism is used do people just say well look at Russia. Just because they made a bugger of it does not mean the model is defunct. Just because Hitler ended up becoming a mass murdering psychopath does not mean that some of his policies (Of which he was fairly and squarely elected on were not very good policies), Karl Marx was not the fool/idiot that many "think" he was...the trouble with history is it is written by the winners of any given conflict.
If socialism is ALWAYS bad then why is the scandinavian countries doing so well ? And the flip side if capitalism is always good why did we have to use a socialist ideal to rescue the whole bloody world from collapse (There would have been rioting on the streets of the whole of the G8 btw if that idiot Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling had not led the world with the refinancing of the banks - The UK was 48 hours away from military presence on the streets to keep order. If you don't believe that then check out the memoirs of the countries top civil servants and permanent secretaries (The people who really run the country btw as they are never replaced no matter the government) of that week in 2008 when it all happened. The scenario was that one of our majors was basically not going to open it's doors in 24 hours (The monday) if they were not refinanced, This would have had a domino effect on ALL the others - nobody would have had ANY cash. No food - no fuel no power......The only 2 people with the plan to save the system were Brown and Darling, Hank Pulson (The yanks top man at the time) was whimpering like an 8yo school child as he was so out of his mind with worry about what was going to happen....It has even been reported that one CEO at one of the top UK banks went straight out and bought a whole farm as this was all unfolding (So he could feed his family as cahs would have been useless and non existent).
So what they done was refinance the banks - Socialism for the rich.....Well that is the way I see it.
So we have had recessions all through history - does that then follow that capitalism is the way forward ? I would venture that it is far from it.
Would I accept a 40% tax ? In a heartbeat mate - IF it meant that I/we were getting access to the best that there was/is in social justice and care.
Russia took it too far - Power corrupts, Man is his own worst enemy.
Lastly one poster said his mother said Thatchers era was much better than the 70's labour government. Better for who ? Apart from the fact that we are talking about ONE government which lasted 4 years and is not indicative of all the other socialist governments that we enjoyed that gave us lots of "good" things that we moan about and take for granted. Thatcherism was good for the people who went on to steal their childrens and grandchildrens future due to the completely selfish nature of the times. YOU are paying for the "success" of the Thatcher era now. Your kids will pay for it when they start to earn too. Also if you lived north of Watford you never even got a real slice of the pie....the further north the worse it was.
Anyway like I said I just skim read the replies.....I may well post more later.
 
I think a lot of people forget that they actually have a hell of a lot to thank socialism for, the education they got as children and that their children get today, legislation which governs what an employer can and cannot do, the standard 40 hour week, entitlement to paid time off, sickness pay, the NHS and much much more.
 
Here we go again.
The banking collapse was caused by the deregulation of the industry in the 1980s this eventually led to the betting shop that became. Another direct result of this was irresponsible lending to people who had no chance of repaying their loans which were often secured on properties that turned out to be worth nowhere near the values put on them by the banks which advanced the loans.
Yet another result was the willingness to loan money to anyone who could sign their name on a piece of paper.
Had the collapse happened under this administration they would have done EXACTLY THE SAME as the government did in 2008, they have admitted that. They would have had no other choice but to do so, it was a necessary evil to avert the catastrophe that would have followed.
Now, the next thing that's usually said is "Ah but Labour were in power for 13 years and did nothing to reverse the deregulation" well that's a pretty shallow argument because this lot have been in power for 4 years now and have done nothing either, nor are they likely to.
I'll acknowledge that tory-lite are unlikely to re regulate the industry, that does not mean that it does not need to be done.
 
Here we go again.
I'll acknowledge that tory-lite are unlikely to re regulate the industry, that does not mean that it does not need to be done.

The previous Administration were warned in 2005 by the Treasury that tax receipts were falling and public spending would need to drop - but they ignored these warnings and carried on regardless.

They were pooring fuel on the fire and anyone with any sense could see that the bust was coming!
 
So how come the current lot have borrowed more in 4 years than the last lot did in 13 if they're doing such a fantastic job?
Don't try to come out with that hackneyed line about they had to do it to clear up the mess because we all know that's garbage.
All governments have constant talks with their opposition to keep them in the picture of what is going on, the stuff you see from parliament where their slagging each other off is nothing but theatre because away from that they're all in each other's pockets and the best of mates. This mob knew exactly what they were getting long before they took over.
The now legendary note left in the treasury "Sorry we spent it all and there's nothing left" has been a standing joke in Westminster for years, it's been left for the incoming chancellor every time the government has changed hands since the 60s. This lot decided it was time to make political capital out of it.
 
I didn't know it was garbage
Labour left us in a terrible state you cannot say they didn't ,worse than any government in history.of course the conservatives have had to borrow to sort it out, and once most off the problems are sorted Labour will get in again and ruin it as always
 

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