OLCI electrical course

[neoinwales]

Hello everyone,

Are there anybody who are or have completed OLCI's electrician courses? I am v grateful if you could tell me something about the course and the current situation after the trainings.

I am very confused at the moment after compared two local training centres' courses.

One promise the following qualifications:

Part P EAL Domestic Electrical Installer - Full Scope
The 17th Edition of IEE Wiring Regulations - City & Guilds 2382
Certificate in Fundamental Inspection and Testing - City & Guilds 2392-10
Inspection, Testing & Certification of Electrical Installations - City & Guilds 2391-10

PAT Testing (Optional)

The other (OLCI) course incl.

• EAL Level 2 Certificate for Domestic Electrical Installers inc. Part P
• 17th Edition IEE Wiring Regulations (City & Guilds 2382-10)
• Fundamental Inspection, Testing and Initial Verification (City & Guilds 2392-10)
• In-Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment (City & Guilds 2377)
• Solar Photovoltaic (PV) certificate

City & Guilds Certificate in Inspection, Testing & Certification of Electrical Installations (2391) - additional

Which is better? for the work finds prospective. JIB registration requires 2356, doesn't it?

Thanks in advance,

Neo

 

[Dean182]

JIB requires more than 2356, even with one of the above courses and 2356, JIB wouldnt give you a ticket. At the end of the day, those courses cost ALOT of money, and some of the qualifications arent worth the paper there wrote on. 2382 and 2391 are the only real reconisged qualifications, ane they would set you back around £800 for both courses. As for job aspects, if you went to a firm with one of the above, most, if not all would tell you to jog on, as your not qualified. But theres enough there to get you started by yourself, dependant upon whether your confident enough to. Along with all this there are questions to whether people that take these course are competent to carry out electricial installations due to lack of experiance. And judging by some of the questions that are posted on this forum, i fear for the people that are having the work carried out by these 'electricians'. Have you considered the 2330 part time courses?

 

[neoinwales]

thanks a lot Dean182! I read somewhere here regarding JIB requiring 2356, what else? or what leads to a fully qualified electrician?

I don't know what to do to be honest.

 

[Dean182]

It depends what sort of work you want to do. There are plently of guys on here that dont have a JIB card, and dont have 2356(NVQ L3), there registered with NIC, Napit etc have there own firm, and they keep busy doing domestic. But there are also some that are not busy, and there trying to get commerical/industrial site work through agenices, and cant because they can't get a JIB ticket without the qualifications. JIB are quiet firm! To be graded as an electrician you need, C & G 2330 L2, and L3. C & G 2356. C & G 2382, and then 2391 ontop to be approved. The best way around it is to complete levels 2 & 3 at night college, it will take around 2 years, and you can complete 2356 around that. I know its alot longer than the 4-6 week courses, but it's the proper way, you stand a much better chance of getting a job at the end of it, you have the correct qualifications, opens up more doorrs to different types of work. The list goes on.

 

[Amp David]

I would personally do the 2330 to start with. Tjen move on to the 2382 and 2392 or 2391.

This will teach you more than one of those domestic installer coures.

Also OLCI will send you the infi to read up on the spend 2 or so days at their centers. Basically you don't get taught anything, you will learn as good as you can take in the info supplied.

 

[neoinwales]

Thanks dean182 and Amp David!

I hope to have a proper career change, rather than just become a domestic installer. I assume OLCI is better choice, (if can't spend 2 years in college), isn't it? since it offers 2330 and 2356, which the other doesn't offer.

By the way, what are 2392 and 2391 differences?

 

[Amp David]

OLCI do the 2330 if you want to steamboat it.

2392 is aimed more at single phase testing and 2391 is the full monty 3 phase testing with a written exam

 

[neoinwales]

Thanks again Amp David!

How is 2356 Level 3 NVQ Certificate awarded? It is in the OLCI's course package.

 

[The99Cat]

Hi Neo. I did the whole 2330 and 2356 course with OLCI a while back and it was good, worked well for me. I got all the training I needed, and liked the way it worked because I could do things when I wanted. I was lucky enough to get a job at the end of it all and I'm still working. For me it was a good investment and Ive said before I'd recommend them, and I still would. Thinking about dong my Solar with them soon! Hope that helps mate, good luck with it.

 

[DavidM]

Hi Neo. I did the whole 2330 and 2356 course with OLCI a while back and it was good, worked well for me. I got all the training I needed, and liked the way it worked because I could do things when I wanted. I was lucky enough to get a job at the end of it all and I'm still working. For me it was a good investment and Ive said before I'd recommend them, and I still would. Thinking about dong my Solar with them soon! Hope that helps mate, good luck with it.

That's the NVQ 3 isn't it? How did you manage to get the evidence for it? I was under the impression that you needed to be employed in the industry to gather all the evidence as, iirc, it covers domestic, commercial and industrial work. Obviously you're going to struggle to cover the last two if you're not employed.

 

[Besim10]

That's the NVQ 3 isn't it? How did you manage to get the evidence for it? I was under the impression that you needed to be employed in the industry to gather all the evidence as, iirc, it covers domestic, commercial and industrial work. Obviously you're going to struggle to cover the last two if you're not employed.

I think he means he finished the 2330, gained the evidence via his job he got into before he was assessed. Obviously he wouldn't have the NVQ before gaining the evidence.

 

[DavidM]

I think he means he finished the 2330, gained the evidence via his job he got into before he was assessed. Obviously he wouldn't have the NVQ before gaining the evidence.

Possibly.
I've just a look at their website and I've lifted this extract from one of the course packages they advertise, "City & Guilds Levels 2 and 3 Certificate in Electrotechnical Technology (2330) and City & Guilds 2356 Level 3 NVQ Certificate".
Surely they can't guarantee this if the 2356 can only be assessed on the job? Irrelevant now I suppose at it's been superseded by the 2357.

 

[Besim10]

Possibly.
I've just a look at their website and I've lifted this extract from one of the course packages they advertise, "City & Guilds Levels 2 and 3 Certificate in Electrotechnical Technology (2330) and City & Guilds 2356 Level 3 NVQ Certificate".
Surely they can't guarantee this if the 2356 can only be assessed on the job? Irrelevant now I suppose at it's been superseded by the 2357.

What do they need to guarantee? They deliver the qualification once the candidate completes the evidence and pass the assessments as do all providers offering this certification. They mention the 2330 also, do they need guarantee the person will pass? Of course they don't. It doesn't mean they cant offer the certification.

It is relevant as it's still part of the current framework, the 2357 isn't even completed yet the draft units are out but nothing is set in stone yet. I've heard rumours that the date in april might be pushed back again. The 2357 hasn't superseeded anything yet!

 

[Rowans]

Ive been working offshore for the last three years doing electrical and mechanical maintenance without a single qualification to my name... I wanted to get some certs behind me and move in to the domestic side of things and was advised to do one of these quick courses, ie. 2382 and 2392 along with some useless part p thing... Appears that I didnt look in to it enough and I cant get a job anywhere even as a mate..

Going to have to go back to college in my time off and do it the proper way, wasted 5k for nothing!!

Doing it the proper way is the only way.....

 

[DavidM]

What do they need to guarantee? They deliver the qualification once the candidate completes the evidence and pass the assessments as do all providers offering this certification. They mention the 2330 also, do they need guarantee the person will pass? Of course they don't. It doesn't mean they cant offer the certification.

Guarantee to gain the 2356.
People that go for this type of course will be, like the majority on here, looking to get into the industry and have no/few qualifications, no/little experience or both.
From what I understand, you will find it nigh on impossible to gather the evidence for the 2356 unless you're employed within the industry. What I'm trying to understand is, how can they help you gather the evidence, and gain the 2356, if you're not employed within an electrical contracting company? By charging for it they must be able to guarantee you'll get the 2356.